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Welcome to Car Talk.

It's Tuesday night here on 90.9 NW FM.

It's me, Matty J, in the studio with Mr. Chad DeBow.

I'm online with Mr. David Prince, Mr. Jim Barlow, and Mr. Scotty Doe Johnson.

How are you, gentlemen?

Doing really well.

Thank you.

Good.

Thank you.

Good to see all your lovely faces.

Good to see you guys nice and happy.

It's another Tuesday where we talk cars, everything car-related with our shenanigans.

Alam's a late apology because he's got committee, but he's just out there, so he'll be listening

to this episode intently.

They have a live committee every Tuesday night.

We've got an idea coming up, so I think they're leading up to us, which is next week.

Anyway, let's start with some updates.

How are you, guys?

First to join us was Jim.

Jim, how are you?

Not too bad.

Thanks.

Uplets me.

I've got the laser back with a quote for a roadworthy, which, if I went down that path would

be about three and a half grand, so I've opted not to go down that pathway.

So it should be being towed away sometime this week, I think.

What else is there?

Oh, and then a bit like that character from Up who's always distracted by squirrels.

I've had a few of those on Facebook Marketplace this week.

The recent of which you've just sent through.

Yes, that was today, actually, that one, but the ones that have kept my interest

most of the week was a very late Humber Super Snipe, which I was too slow to act on.

Somebody from New South Wales bought that one.

And then a very early tier Magna SE in a colour called Gold Leaf, which Mr Britannica, Mr

Prince helped try to defy was only available for one year and it's also got brown seats

as well, which we, which Mr Prince seemed to defy was out of production from 1993 on

with.

Obviously, it's very would have been a very unpopular colour combination when you I'm assuming by

all that.

So is it because you said you said to me earlier that was a one year, that was a one year run.

They did that colour, right?

Yes.

So I've never, I've never seen another one that colour.

Yes.

So that colour was unavailable from 1992 and that seat fabric was unavailable in 1993.

It might have been unavailable in 1992 as well, but unavailable in 1993.

It's pretty cool combo.

Yeah.

Because at first when I saw the ad, I thought, oh, it's an interesting respray.

And then we've got the interior and I went, I don't think it's a respray.

Yeah.

And I've got quite a specific preference for what I want my second gen to look like,

but the colour kind of overwhelmed all that.

So are you interested in this said vehicle?

So I was going to be going up and seeing it tomorrow.

Yes.

The seller is unavailable until the weekend now.

Okay.

But I am second to the Blanc queue apparently.

Okay.

So, yeah, we'll see if that works out or not.

And yeah, I did just find a Camry V6 in Bendigo as well.

So if I can't get that, I'll just get Camry V6 and copy you.

Ah!

Yes.

So, yes.

Oh, and the other one, which is not very happy about.

The last, so when I last got the car service, I pointed out something because it was a

fuse that looked a little bit worn out.

And I was told that's sort of like a fuse for the starter motor, but we won't sort of bother

about until the starter motor starts to fail.

The last five days or so, it's kind of slow to crank in the morning.

Once it's on, it's okay.

But when it's cold, it starts smoking a bit.

Smoking.

Yeah.

Blue.

And then it clears up fairly quickly.

But yeah.

That's going to be fun to investigate what's causing that now.

But anyway, yeah, so that's my update.

Just sounds like a bit of oil getting past the rings a little bit.

Yeah.

Which is not like.

The starter motor was smoking.

Sorry, it's coming out of the exhaust.

Oh, okay.

Blue smoke.

Yeah.

If it's blue smoke that's getting past the rings, might be worth getting that looked

at.

I mean, it's had a compression test.

So like it should be, it should be okay.

It could just be getting tight, like tied rings.

Yeah.

Is that happening like under full throttle or anything?

Or is it just like?

Well, I can't see out the, out the window, I can't see anything, but I'm driving.

It just seems to be just when it's cold.

So.

Oh.

And then maybe before the oil warms up, it's thinner.

Yeah.

It's more prone to getting past the rings.

Yeah.

And then sometimes it's cold.

It's just occasionally.

So.

Weird.

Look into that too.

So.

Is it, if the car is cold or if the environment is cold as well?

No, no, no.

As in, if it's a warm day, it still does it not as much.

It's only if the engine's cold.

So if the cars are even different, I've just gone and stopped some back out again.

It doesn't happen.

It's only if it's cold.

Sorry.

When's your next service?

Jim?

Probably in three or four weeks.

I think.

It's worth growing up a viscosity level.

Yeah.

Just to see if that rules it out.

Yeah.

I mean, I think your mechanic.

Yeah.

It wouldn't hurt it.

Definitely.

If you're only going one step up, it will not make a difference anyway.

So just let the mechanic know, I suppose, if whoever does the service and just go,

hey, can you just go a little heavier on the, you know, on the viscosity of the

oil and hopefully that clears it up.

Especially if it's just like on startup.

Usually that's your right turn.

It's, you know, if you were flooring it and it's just a magno, a magno worth of oil

coming out of the top part, then you're in, you're in big, big trouble.

But yeah.

Yes.

But I think, I think that'll.

Yeah.

I mean, try gobble a thing of viscosity.

If not try put some stop smoke as well.

You know, that seems to have helped a lot of customers.

We used to sell this product, this Rizzloin product in Super Cheap.

And this guy, this guy came in with this Commodore that he would beat the absolute

living crap out of this old 3.8 Commodore.

Like genuinely.

Never liked.

Never liked a hard life.

Never liked the 3.8 as you know.

And he came in and it was ticking off its head.

He's like, I think it's done.

And I'm like, try this stuff.

And it was this Rizzloin like stop smoke, but it was also like a,

like an engine repair and vertical commas.

It came, it came back the next day.

He's like, come outside and listen to this.

And it was like silky smooth.

He proceeded to continue driving it super-duper hard for the next two years.

The car lived on the red line, by the way.

Every service he just put a bit of that in it.

And it still went when he sold it.

So I was there.

I was never much for additives in cars, but that changed my mind.

That's great.

Yeah.

Genuinely, if there was an additive that worked.

That was the way.

The guy ended up swearing, but he's like,

it's the best thing I've ever used.

He's like, the car's running better than it is.

Is it the ring seal stuff?

I think it's that one.

Yeah, ring seal smoker bit.

It was like, it was like that one.

Okay.

Yeah.

And they also had a, they also had one in a different bottle too.

It was just like a real thick.

It was, it was, whatever it was, it worked.

So yeah.

That's incredible.

Would recommend.

It's worth a go for 12 bucks a bottle.

Yeah.

That's true.

So Mr.

On the SuperSnipe Honda, not happy on startup.

Possible Magna purchase come this weekend.

Possible.

Yeah.

We're inspection.

Inspection.

Yes.

Inspection.

Where is it located?

Bendigo.

Okay.

Another corner from the Camry V6.

Yes.

Yes, actually.

Yeah.

Two on one.

Yeah.

Two on one.

Deal.

Okay.

So that's your updates, Jim.

Yes.

Thank you.

Very good.

David Prince, updates with you.

Updates with me.

Had a good run in the N1 on the weekend.

We had a car club drive planned.

Which was the twilight run down to Arthur's seat.

Started off in brilliant sunshine.

It was brilliant.

By the time we got to the fishing ship shop in Mornington,

it was chucking it down.

And not just raining, it was blowing a gale.

It was like, so we abandoned that and drove home instead.

But got the first bit of the drive in, which was fun.

Interestingly, the last time we did that same twilight drive,

same thing happened.

So like before we, same night.

So we still haven't got to Arthur's seat to watch the lights

come on, but that certainly wasn't the night to do it.

We had a, I also had the scamp out on Saturday,

went for a run down to the Kerr collection,

which is the coin-a-seg dealership in Sandringham,

which has just moved that our friend,

Giorgio Badaglini works at.

And so it was like an opening of that.

And a lot of Porsches turned up.

Not many Honda scamps, but one on one.

Was there a one?

Which was really cool.

And a lot of people said nice things about it

and pointed and laughed.

But after I did the little blurby bit that I spoke about

last time about the Dutton rally,

I just thought, this thing is really, really cool.

I should just drive, get in and drive it,

rather than leaving it tucked in the garage.

But so I did.

And it seemed like a little train.

It was great.

Didn't give me one problem.

Touch wood, thankfully.

Just trying to put a photo in the thing.

No, that didn't work.

Okay.

So I picked up the Odyssey this afternoon.

So the Odyssey had a fuel pump

and it's had a VTEC solenoid gasket replaced.

It was leaking a bit of oil out of there.

And it's had a crank angle sensor replaced, I think.

So it has no warning lights.

And it started and drove fine.

Absolutely fine.

It's like old times?

It's a bit dirty.

It's dirty than it said.

I remembered being picking it up.

I think I was picking it up from Greys.

And then the euphoria sort of dissipated.

And yeah, I'm just acing to get out there

and give it a good Bissell and a good scrub.

Bissell, yeah.

But the cool thing is I was looking at it this afternoon.

It's actually had the windows tinted.

I never did that.

It's got reverse camera fitted to it.

I didn't do that.

And it blew to, you know,

which I haven't even explored to see whether it still works or not.

But yeah, that was cool.

I picked up a couple of things.

It's got the roof rails on it,

which have an end cap on each rail.

So there are four of these end caps.

I mean, you'd never find them again if you needed them,

except for the two cars at Jolly's that had them.

Oh, really?

I actually have got the end caps for them.

Still don't have a final plan for that car.

Mr. Bunting's not on tonight.

We can speculate, but yeah.

Please it up and have a little play.

Is it going to be your new work van?

Have you decided on if that's for you?

I haven't decided on that.

Give me a weekend or so to just explore it

and just see how it would be really cool that was a work van.

It would be very cool.

Does it shift better than the Caddy?

Yes.

Well, that wouldn't be hard.

Beautably.

It wouldn't be hard.

Correct.

I actually really financed the Caddy bravely,

mainly because I've got a lot on the plate

and I just thought I can't even get my head around

getting a new car at the moment for a new work van

unless the Odyssey comes to the fore.

So there's only a small residual, so I just organised that.

But they offered me another three-year warranty

that mirrors the factory warranty.

I wouldn't believe a word of that, David Prince.

No, no, no.

Who's that through?

Well, that's through the dealer.

They have a number of...

They told me this is a special one we do that mirrors,

because we've got four Volkswagen dealerships or something,

that they mirrors the...

But it doesn't.

There's exclusions to it.

It's got to run through another company anyway, right?

Yeah.

It's not to wreck with the dealer?

That's right.

No.

This one is through the dealer.

Oh, it is.

Okay.

But it's $2,700 for three years.

Ooh.

It's a nice chunk of change.

Yeah.

Yeah, so I don't think I'll be doing that.

I think I'll just keep...

I mean, as I've said previously,

as annoying as this squeakyism,

the concern that I had that it was going to stop,

it hasn't stopped.

It's kept making the same sound.

It still makes the same sound.

So they tell me it's okay,

which they've told me after every service

where I've reported it.

Now the professionals after all.

Theoretically.

So I'll just keep driving it for now

and see how we go.

Very nice.

But yeah, I think that's all.

And I've just been sent something on Facebook,

Honda Acti, 1983 Honda Acti.

So what are the little cave-ins

that was actually sold in Australia brand new?

Back in the early 80s, $500.

Whoa.

Argan.

Jesus Christ.

Cave-in.

Shape.

It will...

It cranks, but it won't start.

I think that was what the...

I think that was the description

of it.

So I'll send it around the chat.

Someone's got a bit of a steal,

if that's the case.

Well, it was suddenly just being listed.

You could have it if you'd like.

Oh, man.

That's a cool...

It's cool just as like a...

Yeah, like a stealer it is.

Yeah, just like a showpiece.

Oh, you've had it.

Yeah, I've had it.

Yeah, I've found it.

That's you, David Prince.

That's me done.

That's good to know.

Me.

Not so much with my own cars

at the moment.

I did just give the...

I think every week it sounds like I

give the blade a wash, but that's because

of my dealings with that tree

and that weird tree sap stuff

that keeps falling on it.

Yeah.

Anyway, that's first world problems.

So I think I can live

with that happening for now.

Won't happen all year round.

And then I started to look into

the Kite and Car Club.

Oh, yes.

That popped up and they do

quite a few like races

and things set up on their dirt

track that they have.

Mm-hmm.

And they meet once a month

by the looks of it.

And they have like a junior program

as well that meets.

Mm-hmm.

And yeah, the way the dirt track

is that they just change up

the direction and everything like that.

So actually look really cool

and not wouldn't really cost you

a fortune to get involved

and have a bit of fun.

So thinking about using the 31 for that.

Yeah, that'd be cool.

Have you looked at the

requirements?

Like what you can't each to have

for that sort of stuff?

The sub-regs and stuff.

The sub-regs, yeah.

Yeah.

Fire extinguisher, obviously.

Mm-hmm.

And just one of those

AASA license.

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

That's it.

Don't need anything else.

That is as easy as it gets

for entry, isn't it?

Yeah.

I mean all the cars that I was

talking about the pictures of

are all just standard looking.

You know, there's a couple of 31s

in there.

There was people with their utes.

There was lances, just basic lances,

basic impresses out there

all the way up to a

a GR Yaris.

Yeah.

That was out there getting involved.

So big broad spectrum of vehicles

and they group them by engine size

and everything like that.

So they put you in the right kind of groupings.

Sounds like you get quite a good amount

of run time as well.

They organize that.

Yep.

So, yeah.

Have you ever done a motor car

before, Scotty?

No.

They're good fun.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

So I kind of would like to get

involved in that for, yeah,

a bit of fun and something that's

not going to cost you

a bazillion dollars.

Scotty, is it tarmac only?

So grab a lonely.

And there's a bit of tarmac in it.

This one at the actual venue

is like just dirt.

Yeah.

But they go to other places up a bit

further like Broadford and stuff

where it's a tarmac.

Yeah.

Yeah, nice.

Awesome.

Yeah, we should do some tarmac stuff

up there too.

I had a feeling actually.

I don't know how old their website is.

I think Broadford's closed, hasn't it?

No.

In the last month or so?

I'm not quite sure.

Okay.

Maybe I'm making that up.

Hopefully I'm not.

But I was, yeah, somebody,

I'm sure somebody told me that there was

Broadford.

You could be right on.

I'm not sure how updated their

website is, but I mean,

at first I went to their Facebook

page and that was obviously

all recent with all the photos

and so that I saw then and then

I went on to their webpage from there.

Any club with a junior program

I reckon is great because

that club level motorsport

is just brilliant for kids.

You can get a, well,

I know with motorsport Australia

you can get a cams license from

12, I think.

That's why a club level motorsport,

low speed,

which motor counter is considered low speed

and yeah,

one of my sons went through it,

went through, got one early

and motor counted

Honda City for a number of years

and the difference with him

when he was on the road actually driving

on the road like and had

the car control thing down pat, you know

and and realize that

the

out in the wilds with the suburb is

not a controlled environment like a motor

corner field is.

As a result, he's a brilliant driver.

So yeah,

I really think that's a really

important aspect of a car club

and it's

not overly expensive as

opposed to

driving lessons.

That's right.

And you're only getting what your driving lessons

aren't even an hour, they're like 50 minutes.

That's right.

I think what I was doing it was 50 minutes

for about 60 bucks.

And I'm sure it's a lot more than that now.

Oh yeah.

I don't think it would be that anymore.

So yeah,

you get plenty of seat time and stuff by the sounds

of things. So I probably

go to one

and go to one to observe

first spectate and then suss it out

and ask some more questions to the people there

and just get a better understanding of what I need

to do

to make sure it's ready.

I'll probably use

the stop rims

I reckon.

I could just get some kind of decent tires

put on those ones and just swap it out

and just run the

stock rims on the gravel I think would work

the best. Yeah, especially with like

gravel stage or even like even with any motor

car really like you want the back end

from when the ones I've done you want it to be a bit loose.

So you can slide the car around

a little bit easier.

But

I think that's

I had the cheapies on the MR2 when I

took that the last time and yeah it was

very easy which was a lot of fun.

Yeah.

What was that like to try and catch it again?

Yeah, it was easy.

It's quite low speed

so like you know

it's very manageable

and

sometimes when it started to grip up

you'd give it a bit of a clutch kick

to just

to get the back end to come back around

and that was always fun.

But yeah, it was

like people say snap oversteer is

lethal and it

is to an extent but again at the low speed

stuff it was quite manageable. I found it very manageable.

What's the whole video

about that snap oversteer

and pretty much

proven to be

non-existent?

It's a driver error.

Yeah.

If you're lifting off in your mid-corner

or coming into the corner all the weight

transfers and that's what makes

it go up right around.

So

for that to happen

they haven't really driven a mid-engine car before

and to be fair I didn't really

drive any mid-engine cars until

the MR2. I drove

a

just something else mid-engine a while ago

I don't remember what it was but

yeah it was but I didn't push that car

but the MR2 I've pushed

and you can feel it

you can feel it work around you

it's like you're the center of the car

and you can see how and you can see

why people that wouldn't be used to that

or lift off and not power through

to a corner which

I can see how people

can make the snap oversteer

but the funny thing is though especially

with the SW20s the second-gen MR2s

they're known for their horrific

snap oversteer like the early ones.

They're heavier,

the weight transfer is more

unmanageable

yeah they're more powerful

you can carry more speed into a corner

so it all works against you

but yeah that's the thing

you can't drive it like a regular car

where you'd be like

lifting off and coasting

to a corner or doing that sort of stuff

it just doesn't like that

you gotta be like on power

through a corner to be

to not, for it to behave

like a car that you think

it should behave. And it's hard to trust a car

that you're not used to.

You have to change driving style.

Yeah absolutely.

But now the funny thing is

the SW20 Rev1s and Rev2

they really sought after now

because they were canned at the start

because they were too invertecom as dangerous

but now they're like actually these are the proper

driver's cars because they were

a bit more twitchy

they were a bit more lively and that's what

people kind of want so

it's a full circle for the MR2 in that instance.

Yeah and people are putting the

2GRs in them

and making

350 horsepower

without

anything. No supercharger

or nothing. They're pushing those engines

pretty hard so

there's a guy in the US

there's a guy in Queensland that's, I think

Turbo Yoda did one. He did

an Aureon swap like with the supercharged

2GR.

And the thing rips.

Apparently he reckons it's a better car to drive

than with the 3S GT here in it so

yeah.

And who doesn't want to get

the chance to do on a gravel to do a scan

in Avion Flick?

Exactly.

Yeah and if you stuff it up

who cares?

You're in a good environment where

you're allowed to make mistakes.

Oh absolutely and Scotty

you will spin.

I spun out a few times.

It was fun.

The guy before me

was in a MK3 Super Turbo

and he spun out

and he just kept his foot in it and just smoked

up the whole

and he was like

you looked at it when he came into the pit

before I went off.

He was laughing like a schoolgirl.

It was the funniest thing in the world.

It's an environment where

you're encouraged.

Big deal.

It's a bit of fun.

I mean it's the whole thing

by the looks of it is just

entry level fun.

It's not being a pro or anything

and that's kind of the atmosphere

that I want.

They're giving it a go for the first time.

Perfect.

And it's not as scary

as the tarmac ones

where they set up the cones everywhere.

Because I got no hope

remembering that stuff.

There's no way

my ADHD is not going to allow it.

It's very hard.

It's super challenging to draw.

Even the simplest layout

last time I did it was like

it's orange.

Come on.

I mean if I need to take a right

at one can you use that as like

a blue cone or something?

Help us out here.

I know.

I had that same issue

when I did my last one.

I was studying

the bloody maps.

That would give you all the different things.

It was the second last one of the day

and I ran one cone the wrong way

and he's like

you went around the wrong way

which one is that last cone?

How do you remember

the guy sitting on the side

you went around the wrong cone

like what?

I did not.

Show me the footage.

Go back.

Usually on a day like those

it's usually have about 6 or 7

different layouts.

So it's a lot to try and remember

my brain can't do that.

That's quite a bit.

It's good fun.

I would recommend giving it a go.

I'd be different.

I think we should

have fun.

That's what I've been doing there.

Still just doing the same

as Jim

and just keep looking on Marketplace.

I don't know.

It's just a habit I think

and just seeing what's popping up

and what's around.

What have I noticed?

Some cars

that you look at and you go

where are you pulling that price from?

I think some of them

are just kind of funny.

The way they ride

or the way they kind of

post it and then expect this top

dollar and they put up

the worst pictures

from the car ever.

The thumb is in the way.

Everyone's got

a kind of okay phone these days

so where did you pull this old

Nokia from?

It just doesn't make any sense.

Shot with a potato.

They've taken the photo

and then ran through a program

that decompresses it to

non-existent size

and then put it up to the computer

somewhere.

It's like printing and then

scanning it back to yourself

and then you know that.

Yeah over and over again.

It's just

mind boggling.

I think it's

good motorsport.

You can slide the back end around

and it'll be a lot of fun.

Even though it's single pegging

it should still have a bit of fun.

Oh yeah it'll do the job.

It'll still do it.

We can weld up the back.

Yeah exactly.

I was def-wielding.

Yeah.

Legend.

You'd be going around corners

like

but hey it'd be so worth it.

Imagine the sideways action

you're going to get.

It'd just be everywhere.

Nothing like a good solid rear axle as well.

Solid rear axle is really good for going sideways

just putting it out there.

Hey there was a

recent video actually

that I just watched.

If I can find it again I can link it

but though we're doing the whole

Mustang driving into crowds

and seeing if it's

the car's fault

in conclusion it's not this

driver error.

But it's

he was just

showing when it comes to solid rear

axles how

unbalanced it can be going over

certain bumps

and things on the track

and how you deal with it

how you drive it that little bit differently

and you can still go flat out over those bumps.

When you have traction control on

and you turn into a corner

and power it and it just loses control

with traction on

there's something seriously wrong with the design

of the car.

It's not working.

I'm talking about solid rear axle ones

this is before the new ones.

This is a modern Mustang

I'm

brand new Mustang.

Should we go on the older ones?

The older ones are probably better.

They would be.

It's funny because

this is

the Dossel Tones of Robb's Die.

He is

a perfect example of

when a car mustangs.

The newer ones

I know

the IRS ones they have that issue

where Ford inherently designed

it to be a little bit loose.

Yeah, change

caster or something

change camber angle

Yeah.

It's supposed to absorb the vibrations

and the type of rubbers they put into the suspension

in the back so it all moves around.

You've got active rear steering

with no control.

You've got no confidence

really.

That's terrifying.

So when the car wants the Mustang

you'd be like I wish I had a solid axle

I would have just put it up.

If you're in a straight line

you flatten it and you try to keep it

straight as long as you don't

mess up the geometry from left to right

and you're in a straight line

you should be okay. As soon as you put weight

on one side and power it

that's when you lose it.

That's probably what you see in a lot of the videos

is because they come out and

kick the side out

always and then that's it

and you see him kind correct it

but then you start over correcting

and then boop boop boop and you're gone.

No chance.

You would think you'd be able to power it

through. No.

It always seems to me when they like

change gear as well as soon as they go

from one gear to the second it just

snaps into a crowd. Yeah it's like

that's bizarre.

But they do it.

I don't know how they've met safety

design rules with traction control.

It doesn't work.

It should just kick in like

I know like

my cars would kick in

there's two ways traction control

works. Mine would

just cut, pretty much cut power

so it feels like it bogs down

and you kind of just like bang bang bang

and it kind of stops that way

and other ways

are a bit more softer

like I think the way

my blade works is

it cuts power

but it still lets you rev out anyway

while in the

skyline it would kind of

just hit like a pretend

rev limiter

to stop you.

To tell you the truth the FG XR6

Turbo would do the same thing if you

turn the traction off but if you leave it

on it's okay.

Work that out.

Interesting.

Rob, updates with you?

Sorry that's what

I was late today I've been

cracked the shits and I'm selling some

of my cars.

Solder W

108

That's gone already.

Sold that.

The guy that's doing it up

or bought it has got a beautiful

like a

300SEL

same vintage V8

which he and his son

are doing it up so I'm wrapped to let it go

at least it'll get done and he's a local guy too

so

it'll be good to see it done.

I just don't think I've got the time and patience anymore

especially with the CCC it's really doing my

heating. I told

Sid the other day that

pretty much don't worry about doing it, leave it

I'll do it myself.

I've had enough of it so I'll

try to get stuck into it myself somehow.

Have you still got the

long coupe?

That's

where I was this afternoon.

A guy called me last

minute to come around and have a look at it.

There's a couple people interested in that one

so that will go too.

If I focus on one car at a time

get one car going

and if I want another project

I've still got the Leyland

and I've still got an F100

if I want to do one up so

I've still got plenty of other cars to do

if I want to.

What's your old bins

the one that you drive to Cousin Coffee?

That's the one

that's fully restored

that drives and rides everything

because it doesn't need to be touched.

You're going to keep that one though?

I don't know

I'm getting to a point

what I want to keep

do I keep that one

get rid of my Mustang

get rid of the transit

for the other one

and then just go and buy myself a nice motor home

do Australia, sell the motor home

after I go around Australia

and just buy maybe a nice

four-wheel-drive

where we can do our

two or three weeks away

towing a little trailer

and stay at motels

rather than doing a big Australia trip

so that's the plan

but just get rid of some of the cars

need to downsize especially when

if you plan to retire it's hard to keep

six or seven cars

all maintained and paid for

when you're not working

yeah you are

even if you've got them on

you know, club plates

it's still a lot of money

just to keep them ticking over

especially when you can't actually

drive them as often and enjoy them

well that too

that's what retirement is meant to be about

yeah if you have retirement you can drive them more

but then you can't afford to drive them

more because

that's 22

yeah

you build

all these toys up over the years

and you get to a point in life

how I'm going to sustain this

how I'm going to maintain it all

it's a big one

it's sort of a fine line

you have just one or two cars you really like

and you want to keep them

keep them going and get rid of everything else

get rid of all the noise

because it's sort of like

even a P76 sometimes

you sort of lay down in bed and think about it

Jesus sitting there in a garage it's not doing anything

I want to get it going

it's sort of one of those things that really

does me hitting

as we discussed last week

we're getting that back alive mate

well there'll be space

soon enough anyway

down to the workshop to work on it

so we can get it down there

have a working bee on it and be able to work around it

absolutely

sounds good

so hopefully I'll sell the 280 CE

lost a couple hundred bucks

on the W108

but that's fine

it's going to a good

good home so I'm happy with that

father and son doing it up

that'll be nice

whereas my son

he just wants his lambos

and G wagons

and Ferraris or whatever

he doesn't want to work on any cars

he just wants something brand new

he's

a different mindset altogether

this generation

I know this generation that I'm talking to

you guys are unique

but

look he likes the old 300

I mean we wouldn't have bought it

I wouldn't have bought it if he didn't want part of it

so it's just one of those things

when I sold the Mustang

I said I'm not going to buy another car

and have that much money sitting there

but when this one came up it was

a nice car

and it was worth every cent

absolutely

there you go

but yeah hopefully I'll clear up some cars

and make some space

and be able to enjoy holidays

instead of being stuck underneath a car

changing oil

but you know six to seven cars

yeah it's

part of the part of the journey

part of the journey yeah

I don't know how you guys find time

some was done

some was done yeah

Chad

update

I had a bit of a magna mess up last week

so Thursday morning

I woke up

and me and my wife had to swap

car spots like my car was

in front of hers and she had to

go to the office

get in the cars

and move mine and then go to move hers

and you know sort of like parked

in front of my neighbours

door for a second and I walk back

and I say that she's got a flat tyre

I'm like oh great

this is bloody perfect timing

this is like five minutes before she has to leave

for like an important meeting

day thing

anyway I go inside and I said

really sorry

you have a flat tyre and

we all know that the new Honda's

don't come with spare wheels

anyway

so she's just

stressing it out a bit and I said

look you've got two options

you can either take an Uber

or you can just take the magna

and she's like well I'm just

going to take the magna

I got the car for her and I got it

out the front and you know

it was

no

issues that I could tell

anyway she gets in

loads all her stuff up

and then she's off to

drive to Talmarine

you know I didn't hear from her

because I was working

myself and

she messaged me I don't know

about 30 minutes later and she said

that car gave me maybe the worst

experience of my life

oh god what's happened

and she's like it just

lost power on the freeway

it just lost power and it wouldn't

like drive it was just like revving

so like just

like the gearbox just

connected

it was like it was in neutral

and I was like oh that's really weird

so I put it into park

in the middle of the freeway

on the ring road

and I'm like oh my lord

you know I

I don't know how bad that road is because I used to drive it every day

and

she's like anyway I got it going

I got it to work I linked it to work

eventually I was like alright jeez

I was really sorry what can I say

this is what happens when you buy thousand dollar cars you know

that sort of thing

anyway and so

kind of like left it for the day I was like

you know I'm hoping that

it will limp back home

I just told her to just take the back streets home

and you know and

anyway I was following her on the maps

and saw that she

stopped for like a little

longer than usual

this is after work like this is you know in the

PM and she messaged me

yeah it just it won't go like it's

it did the same thing

but it was thankfully it was on like a street

like you know a 60k

zone and she somehow got it

into like a side street and she's like I parked

it up and she's like please come get me

so

I managed to get her

car the tire

fixed that day like I took it

to a tire shop and

got a patch on it

and I drove it out there

and yeah sure enough

it just would not go like it

you'd select gear and it would

show on the dash that it's selected

and it just wouldn't drive like it just

won't move in any direction

with the accelerator

and it would just roll like in any gear

even I think even in park maybe it just

rolls and I was like okay this is really

weird I don't know what's going on with it

and yeah so I just

couldn't do much

connected or something from it

sounds like it yeah I don't know if it's like

talking about

issue or if it's

just like a computer type thing

really don't know

but I couldn't get it anywhere

from where she was because she was like at the bottom

of a hill and brought me those and had to

go up a hill and just a street hill

no I don't know what the hill is called

the end of camp road

yeah

so I just

I just called a tow truck and thankfully

because of shams roadside they just

they got it home and

yesterday

yesterday yeah

yesterday I didn't really have any time to look at it

over the weekend so yesterday

I went out after work and

I was just tinkering around

and I ended up calling the wreckers that I got

the gearbox from and just to get a bit of advice

from them and they just said

look could be a couple of things could be the TCU

could be

could be that it's like left in

overdrive or like stuck in overdrive or something

apparently if you like leave over

sorry if you have overdrive off

it won't select a gear

for some reason so it'll like you can

move the gear lever but it won't move it to anything

but from what I

could tell the overdrive was on

like it wasn't like stuck off or anything

yeah so that was functioning

as far as I could tell but

weirdly I started the car

again and then I just like put it into

drive and then I just started to like

rev it ever so slightly

and as the revs built up it actually

started to move so I'm not

sure what's going on there but there's something

mechanical I think

could be the converter

so I

I was parked in like

the guest spot at my

place so I wanted to move it

and because it started to drive a little bit

I was like I'm just going to limp it onto the street

just to make sure that

you know I could just get it out there and then

so I drove it out and actually

drove okay in like drive or like

first gear or whatever

and then I like pulled up next to the parking

spot and put it into reverse and it just didn't

drive at all

and my streets funny because it's like

it's three cars wide I've got the

cars on one side parked

and then on the other side of the road

and then your middle is like the thoroughfare

so I'm like stuck in the middle

and trying to like reverse into a drive

into a spot and I've got two cars coming

out of the way

so I just hopped out and I started to like

pull the car like it was because it was a neutral

I thought luckily it's like flat ground

so I just started to pull the car

yeah I was just like

man I've got to get this car out of this

you know out of this road

and sure enough there's like five cars

waiting and none of them

you know I'm not blaming anybody obviously

but none of them are offered to help

they were just waiting I was like

that's fine if you don't want to help

you're just going to have to wait

eventually some guy

in a range of pulled up and he was like

hey man do you want a hand I'm like yes please

anyway we managed to like maneuver the car

into a parking spot on the street

so you know it's out of the way

sort of thing but

so yeah that's

well it might get swollen

good luck you'll have to bring your own tow truck

so yeah

Magna is having some issue

and I'm trying to figure out what to do

and Paul Gatt who's

a magnet guru

he has some ideas

and yeah

essentially I'm just going to have to scan

the computer like the onboard

diagnostics of that car and to see if the TCU

is giving any sort of issues

has he got access to one of those

he actually said he's buying one

he's bought like a Mitsubishi one

oh jeez

yeah so I don't even know where you get those from

but it's an original Mitsubishi equipment

he's bought so just waiting for that to come in

and he said it'll pop over and

give it a scan see what's going on with it

apart from that

yeah I don't know

it's a bit of a weird one because it will drive

sometimes and then other times it just won't

like it'll drive and then it'll just like disconnect

and just rev like free rev

which is also be like

something electronic too could be to say hey

you got a box full of neutrals now oh no you're back now

yeah yeah yeah just like

yeah suddenly I've got

years and suddenly I've got five neutrals so I don't know

I don't know what's going on there

they have like some sort of solenoids don't they

and the solenoids either engage or don't engage

and if those solenoids aren't activated

yeah potentially it could be like

you know fluid driven

solenoids that are not

behaving and

I mean if that's the case that's a

that's like the

the what are they called you know the control

units and the transmissions they're like

very very dear stuff

so I'm not sure what's going on there

I'm gonna just have to

yeah it's still on the warranty thankfully which

they said that they would

honour and

they said just you know make sure the TTSU

is okay if not we can try to send

you on and then see if that fixes it

if not then we'll see what

we can do is still on the warranty so

potentially there's still more

to find out and see what's going on

so the manual swap might be coming

earlier than me well I mean

if it's gonna take another

transmission going to the car then it's just gonna have to get

manual swapped I'm just I'm sick of dealing

with automatics I'm sick of dealing

with humps of metal

that are doing like just disappointment

so I'm sorry to

any automatic lovers out there

I just can't I can't deal with it

no that's all the car updates

yeah nice yeah what about you mate

well I was driving the Camry

all last week and this week

giving it a good

shakedown before classic Japan

next weekend just getting

getting close it is

it is so

Ed Matthews

motors will make its debut

at this event

we've got a few things organised ready to go

I set off the

the window balance to get printed

so I should have them by this week

but yeah it should be a good event

it's got Jim and Rob

and Chad are you guys heading down to

we'll be there

still be here because we're heading off

to Abu Dhabi in a couple weeks

so

nice

Abu Dhabi dude

Scott are you heading down

yeah

bring the 31

I shall be

Jim what are you bringing

just bring the EK

I'm trying to work out potentially bringing

a passenger princess with me or not

I'm not sure yet but yeah

that's the 30th

I was a bit stressed I got the weekends wrong

I turned down a wedding to go to this

so

nice

it's more important things out there mate

than weddings

who's been married on a Sunday afternoon

like seriously

that's cool

I really bought my tickets mate

sorry

David Prince what are you bringing

I haven't decided yet

that's the problem

it's flush for choice isn't it

it'll either be the Grand Prix Civic

or the Scamp I think

yeah nice

be a good driver for the Scamp to get it there

it's good yeah yeah

well it's quite close to where

my kids live so I might even

just get it halfway there

on the Saturday

15 minutes from their place

very nice

mate you didn't ask me

I might take my dad's Yaris

yeah 100% yeah

it's Japanese

it's gonna be 25 years old

it's still too new

it's an early model Yaris

it was one of the first generation ones

where it was the

the ECO

the first gen Yaris was like

2007

geez

a few years yet

have you got a starlet Rob?

a what?

have you got a starlet?

no I haven't got the starlet

that would work that'd be old enough

okay no no just a Yaris

so Rob I want to ask you a few things

so you worked at Toyota

from what years

1987

to 90's

those years are on point Matthew

yep I know you're

absolutely you could be our salesman

or our

engineer

service manager

what did you do there Rob?

I was in the engine plant and I was in QC

so quality control

so from

the castings

a lot of the

like intake manifolds

heads

and water pumps and bits and pieces

to the machining of the

the fly wheels

and machining of the blocks

because the blocks were actually cast

in I think ACL in

SA

and then in the CKD parts of the

Camrys as well which were Japanese

the knockdown parts

were from Japan

which we used to check as well

so I'll take it back to quality control

and do all the measurement for ovality

surface roughness, deck heights

water galleries, oil galleries

check all that sort of stuff

and then CC the heads

make sure the heads were the right volume

the right ovality

check the rings, ring gaps

and all that sort of stuff

and all sorts of things like that

I had a photospectrometer

to do all the

metallurgy to make sure the aluminium

was casted

make sure we had the right

elements in it

but

what else

more measurement, we used to cut up blocks

and then sort of slice them up

and then make sure that the actual

water galleries are far enough away from the actual

the bores themselves

and stuff like that

we used to do all sorts of things

there was a lot to it

we used to even check wiring looms

sometimes we would check some panels

and stuff like that and from the press shop

to make sure all the panels

are all with intolerance

yeah nice

what were the main engines that you looked at

the 4S and the 3A

most

I don't know exactly

what, I'm sure there would have been other codes for it

I think it's 3A

so 4A and 3S would be

4A and 3S yeah

so there's Camry

TwinCam 2L engine

because it

those didn't they

they did

so they would have been

2L TwinCam Camry

and 4A would be a 1.6L

it's probably a 4A FE

so

1.6L

4 cylinder

corollas and stuff

so

what was the 1300

I don't know that year but I didn't know if

1600s

they're still making

I think G heads

as well something or making some other

components as well for other motors

that we didn't necessarily assemble

and we're

actually casting them and then sitting at the Japan

but I think it was more of a

way of

exporting aluminium

with no tariffs

so they'll send

dud heads across there and say well

these are all defects so you just have to ride them off

and

just chuck them in a forge and melt them down

over there and use them over there

nice very clever I love that

yeah

so

Rob I've got a few questions about

your time there because

we're trying to get Ed Matthews motors official

it's pretty important

these are the questions we need answers to

now

in terms of the level of quality

at Toyota because

Toyota is known

synonymous with quality, reliability

was that always the case even back then

was like jeez

I'm getting bored I want to choose that engine because none

of the engines seem to be faulty

or was it quite often you say that's

a faulty engine

I think the quality

was good the guys

on the machine line

just wanted to keep on pushing the engine blocks through

because they had a quota to meet

a couple hundred blocks a day

to get to the machine line

I'd normally stop the machine line for the blocks

they're getting at the top end

or of their tolerance

so they'll actually start

the ability wasn't right

when I'm machining it and honing it

it was actually starting to

get on the right

on the top end of the tolerance

you normally want to bring it back in within

central to that tolerance so you got a bit

of play

so

they were sort of pretty slacky not retooling

and changing

the tools on the tool posts and stuff like that

when they're boring at the blocks

the actual

the stones and the honing machines and the honing tools

weren't

adjusted so therefore

it was actually starting to

not

be consistent throughout the bore

because

it was a bit too big at the top a bit too slow

or wasn't exactly round

as it should have been because it wasn't honing it

properly

they used to hate

when I come around because I'd stop the line and say

hey bring it back into tolerance

and it was normally

between shift changes too the night shift

will run it into the ground and day shift in the morning

when you roll up

we'll have to then retool it all and they used to hate it

they always used to say

the morning shift to fix

so that would

that would push them behind then wouldn't it

every time yeah to push them behind

but you had to do it

you know so

quality wise

look there were some issues with

the surface roughness

and finish of flywheels

but they picked them up pretty quickly because the quality was there

but so you

you get the odd

dud that will get through with a block

or an issue with a casting that got

missed

and luckily sometimes they get picked up

and then they'll pull those blocks back

and then check all the blocks to make sure

that the casting is okay

but they did have some bad batches of casts

where the data points in a way sat on the block

when it sat on the

actual

the jigs in the machine line

wouldn't line up properly so the boars would get too close

to the water galleries or something wouldn't line up

or so they'd have to scrap a whole lot of

blocks

but again they get picked up

you get the odd bait at the might

slip through the cracks

but very rarely I thought

they're pretty good

the quality was good they had a pretty good system

with

with the kaizen system

and everything else that they had from

selecting the parts

and having the right pistons

selected for that tolerance

bore so there would have been all three tolerances

within the same

allowances so

you could have put a

2,000 bigger piston

into the bore

because there's enough tolerance there

but they would actually try to select the right size

pistons and they had them color coded

and stuff like that so they'd measure them

and have the right size pistons for the right size

blocks even though it'll still

standard bore

they won't 10th hour, 20th hour or anything like that

but they'll actually

it was almost like blueprinting

so that's how

good it was

otherwise they could have just put any piston into

and it would have been too tight too loose

within that standard

tolerance but still within that tolerance

were the engines all still made by hand

or were they

well they're all

once the blocks were machined

they'd go into the machine line

the assembly line

and the various boxes would be loaded

up across the assembly line as they go through

so the pistons and rings

the conrods and pistons were

and the rings were put on and they were actually

popped in by a guy

with having some

assistance with some tooling to push them all

through and put them in a lot quicker

than you would do them individually

I think they used to do one bank

the whole bank at one time

with some Teflon guides and stuff like that

used to put all the pistons in

and they had guides to make sure

they didn't damage the crank when the crank went in

like the rods went into the crank

so it wouldn't damage it

it was done well

thought out in the production line

like where they or the assembly line

the thing is if one that had a

hiccup somewhere it'll sort of

they could pull the block off the line

and keep the line going

and then fix it and then put it back onto the line

on recollections a long time ago

but the whole process is real good

and then they had

they'll pick an engine off the block

every day and do a dyno test on one of those

engines

and I don't know if it was once a week

they would all strip down on the engine

run it dry

no oil

try to blow it

and then we'll measure it all up to make sure

to see what's actually happened to that motor

so there would be a full dyno test

on a selected engine

and there will be engines that actually

take off the line to dyno test it

pull it down put it back together

then put it back into circulation

so that would have been more of a hand built

tested checked motor

wider quality team that would be one motor

who makes that call

that we'll choose that one over there

number three

there was a fixed schedule for all the different checks

and you go through that

cycle of checks

for that schedule once a week you cut up a block

once a week

every day you would do all the

tolerance tests on the bores

on the machine line to make sure everything's all right

and then you'd even go on

the simply line where they

where they lay down the

the silicon

onto your sumps and onto your various other parts

we'd actually lay it on a bit of paper

and measure it all and weigh it to make sure it was all

spot on so you're not getting too much

or too little silicon

applied onto the block

or onto the sump when it goes onto the base

there was a lot of things like that

were all checked and double checked

and there'll be

a schedule to do that

one in 100 or one in

1000 or

there'll be a whole lot of different checks

again it's a long time ago

it's really stretching my memory now

it was some

35

are you explaining it really well

and then

the actual

the smelters and

the aluminium casting lines

and we checked the sand cores

make sure the sand cores were

basically casted the right way

or they actually put the sand cores into the

the die to pour aluminium around

the intake manifold or around the heads

or whatever they're doing

and then would take

sampling aluminium

sample aluminium blocks and then check

the actual metallurgy

within that aluminium block to make sure it's got the right

percentage

of different magnesium and everything else

that's in it

that's really cool

I find that stuff fascinating hearing someone

on the side of a

that worked for the company

so was this all at Altona?

All at Altona

they used to

assemble them like build the engines

in the press shop in Altona

and then the cars were built I believe in Dandenong

at that time

I think they had a place in Port Melbourne

I don't know what happened or exactly

because it never went out to those sites

but Dandenong was the main one

where they built the Corolla I believe

and put it all back to Altona

at the end

that was well several probably 10 years

after I left

so my mate

we should be getting him on the show one day because he was

with Toyota

from

until he retired in his 60s when they shut down

so he was there before I even started

back in the late 80s

when they first opened up

and he was in the press plant

and he used to maintain all the dies

for the press shop for all the body panels

yeah well

we were just seeing some stuff

so he would be

he'd know a lot about the multi-stage tooling

and all that sort of stuff with the dies

and everything else and he'd maintain all the dies

and he used to run the whole crew to maintain

those dies in the press shop

massive presses

like

two stories high and

fully automated stuff that would pick up the panels

and put it on the next panel and then cut it

and go through

four or five stages maybe

but yeah

it was good times

the guys were great, it was a great place to work

management were a bit

sort of hit and miss

you ever run a good side of them, a bad side of them

and then they changed as well

so

but there were a lot of strikes at that time

there was a lot of talk

about restructuring the automotive industry

back in the 90s

there was a lot of

we'll go through that phase

of

pulling back on government support

for the automotive industry even then

they're talking about it, the button report

and all that sort of stuff

that occurred back in those days

so

there were a lot of strikes

for me that's such a

like

an important time of the automotive industry

in Australia

there was so much going on

there were so many manufacturers building cars

here in Australia

so many kind of companies

sharing cars, the button plan in particular

I mean

obviously a lot of us

were around at that time when this was happening

but did you feel

when you were working, you said obviously the strikes

but like

what was the people's reaction

and David you can jump in

on this as well

what was the general feeling

of the automotive landscape

a lot of uncertainty

so you didn't know if you had a job

because you had done a lot of restructuring

I left on

one of the free rounds of redundancies

and I said

I don't need this

striking all the time

I'm trying to get married, start a family

build a house and everything else

I can't afford to do that

it's alright when you're single

you might be able to

if you're living at home for mom and dad

you've got no commitments

or you're not locked into any debt

that's fine but

when you start needing money for a living

to pay for the bills

you don't want to be in that situation every day

you don't know if you're going to

have a job next month or

if you're on strike

you're not going to get paid for the full week

and so on

so when I put my hand up

for redundancies

they said

fantastic, I'll go beauty

I was hoping to go on a dole

I've never been on a dole before

regular

unfortunately I got a job within that week

I got a job and I was there

it was that place for

close to 15 years before

that industry shut down

and that was Kodak

wow

this is 1990 you left Toyota you said didn't you

yeah

that was around

when was the recession we had to have

that was sort of that time too

that time it was yeah

I just bought a block of land

it was

probably a little bit later

I think I bought the block of land

and

they were pretty tough times

that recession period

interest rates were all high

but they were good times too

the people that you worked with over there

is what kept you there

and not so much management

and so much to me it was just another job

you hear that a lot

I've spoken to a few people

whether they've worked at Ford's

or with Toyota

they always said it was the people

you worked with that made you want to

stay there it was a good time

it was a good era

we saw that in Adelaide didn't we

we did

at Magna 40

the family atmosphere

of that place was incredible

we made lifelong friends

and I speak to quite a few of those guys from

Toyota

to a point where

we had same interest jet skis or motorcycles

so we'll rig our jet skis into work

and it'll be a strike that day

so

as soon as there's a strike

jumping our cars straight down to

Port Phillip Bay and it'll go jet skiing for the day

we made a most of those strikes

I can mark

I remember

my friend Mark was telling me

his dad worked at Ford since

the early 80's all the way

to when they shut in 2016

and

he remembers

I remember speaking to his dad

I remember it clear as day

1987 the XF Falcons

of all time

best selling car in Australia

and the people at Ford

the heads were saying

you guys are going to have a job here

we're going to shut their production

in the early 2000's

everyone laughed at them

he's like how can you say

we're selling the best car

what do you mean we're going to shut down

he's like they knew

about this sort of stuff back then

they had the 10, 15, 20 year old

plan

100%

just when you mentioned

interest rates it reminded me

we leased a car in

we leased an SV21 Camry CSX

manual wagon

in 1990

it was a

89 or 90

our daughter was born in 89

we needed a wagon

because I worked in the industry

I thought I was hit in a bit

I managed to negotiate

a lease rate with a 19% interest rate

geez

I thought that's pretty good

I mean that's something

really good

imagine that today

oh god

they'd lock you up for being accepting

and saying that I went to the US

prior to working with Toyota

because I used to work for another company

called TAA

so I used to get pretty good airline tickets

and I used to fly to the US

and other places around the world

but the interest rates in the US back then

was 0%

what

0% for a car finance

they couldn't give it away probably

back in the 90s

that's wild

and here we are paying 19%

I couldn't believe it

when I came back I said I'd never buy a car

under finance for that sort of money

I'll be driving my P76 forever

it's crazy

I didn't mention between

jobs between working at Kodak and Toyota

I actually applied for a job

as a quality control inspector

at Ford

and I actually got an interview

and they go oh yeah that job's gone

that's been taken up

but we've got a job for you

in the tool room

okay thanks but no thanks

I wanted to get off the tools

I don't want to be on the tools anymore

and I rejected that job

and then took up the Kodak job

which was

believe it or not still sort of on tools

but it was in research

and development so I got to

use AutoCAD and do

CAD design and

build other stuff

so I've sort of learnt a little bit

more going into that job

and that's how I got into facilities through Kodak

because we had 20 odd buildings to look after

because you were a fitter and turner

weren't you Rob?

yeah

so I used to work with press tools

so I used to make

even in my job as an apprentice

I was never far away from

automotive industry

I used to make the dies my boss

that ran the company he owned it

had some good contracts so we used to build

the dies to press out door hinges

for Toyota

dies to make all the battery terminal

lugs for Ford

we used to build the Unimog

Chessie rails in our press shop

oh well get it out

I was always in the car industry

even before I got into the car industry

so I understood

a lot about the tolerances and cars

and being tool making you work within

Microns and

you make the XD walk door handles

no because the door handles were cast

weren't they or plastic molded

they were cast

yeah so no

that would be

correct answer

it's another discipline injection molding and casts

die casts

again it's another discipline all together

within the tool making field

you ever go into plastics and injection molding

die casting and other stuff

like that and then you've got press tools

so I don't be a apprenticeship in press tools

I made all those car components

but I wanted to actually

get into injection molding in plastics

because I thought that was the future

and in a way it is

or was until

3D printings come along

and other things come up

my dad does

that's all you do that Scotty

yeah he just

pretty much runs and looks after the

the machines and keeps them going

that create all the

tools and stuff

he's been doing that for

20

to 30 years in different

jobs and things and

where he's at now he's kind of semi

retired and

it's hard for

these places to get that experience

of people with that experience now

so he was

a bit sought after

so he got to kind of make his own

own rules

oh we need you to

do night shift he's like I don't do night shift anymore

he's been doing night shift ever since I was a little

kid

since I was born so

the thing was

when I went through the industry everything

was analog

there used to be

patent makers that made patents

for your

penegraphs to make your machine

so you have to

make a plaster pattern

to make all your casts

and you actually

make a plaster basically out of

plaster and then you'd actually follow that

on a penegraph machine and machine it out

onto a piece of steel

manually had to do it

like now there's CNC machines

there's more program

and it's all done right and it's all a

whole lot of programming zeros and ones

which we never got into

and I was right on that

cusp of when they went from

analog to digital

and to get

machines are so expensive back then to get that

sort of job and to try and find a place

to do that which was near

unimpossible in my time

it was a few and far between but I don't know how you

dare got into this, you might have been at the right

time at the right place

to get into it

well we used to live in Bendigo

so he

worked at Sandhurst Farms

so it was all to do

with the plastic bottles

or your milk and everything like that

so they did the whole lot there

and all the blow molds and blow molds dies

yep he did

he did all that and then we moved up

this way and

he's worked at a place called

Cryovac for a long time

that did quite a lot of the plastics

and plastic bags and things like that

and

it's amazing to watch did you go have you ever seen it

Scotty? Yeah, yeah, yeah

there was times where

you'd have to work a little bit extra

because he was doing two jobs at one instance

at another

place where he was pretty much running the machines

setting them up to do the bottles

and changing them over from 2L to 4L

and all that so I'd be there

late with him

watching it all and how it's all done

and watching it how it's all pressed

and the little changes he has

to do because it's not set right

and you're like oh my god

it's amazing to see

the amazing part is now

when they're building cars from the time

of design to manufacture

they used to do it so quick

and everything was done by hand

and everything like now

they've got machines for everything and it's still taking just as long

I don't know

yeah

it's just it's crazy but

the stuff that they do

these days the accuracy

it's insane

it's just full on

I love hearing

people like you guys talk about this

or stuff because

we're going to look back in 20 years

and a lot of this is all dead art

it doesn't exist anymore

every time I say some of that's worked out

like a

in the industry

whether it be on the assembly line

or what have you I think it's fascinating

it's from a time

where you get to

we did things and

you know

it's really impressive

my question to you guys is

before we get to the car quiz

there's been a lot of talk of Australia

bringing back some sort of vehicle manufacturing

seeing as we've got walking shore

which is they're busier than

they've ever been

which I don't know if you guys have seen that

I saw that little news video clip

of their expansion

how many people they're hiring

which is great it's insane

it's great it shows that

they're still a market for things here

Prem card

to do the same thing like they're

going gang bosses

modifying and upgrading

and doing all these things

it shows that there is still

that possibility

you were mentioning earlier Rob CKD

so they're

they're knocked down kits right

so you know why can't we do

those yet is it

you know

lay the costs

and the government

red tape

to import all this

stuff and tariffs to

it just kill it

there's just too much red tape

you should see

if you ever try to import a part

a car part that's

go through the customs list

of what you can and can't import

and it'll kill you

it is just a nightmare

to navigate your way through importing something

I know when I brought in some

fiberglass parts from

our Mustangs when I went to SEMA

I found we found this

nice infill for the

inner skirts and quarter panels made out of fiberglass

for the current model

Mustangs made in America

and the import

tariffs that I wanted to charge us to bring those parts across here were just

ridiculous

and I had to actually show

this part's not manufactured in Australia

there is no industry for this particular

component for this car

therefore you're not going to charge me

50% tariff you're going to charge me

10% GST

and did they oblige

or did you have to pay the 50%

no no they obliged because I showed them

where I had to go through the regulations

and get on the government websites

look at all the import requirements for

specific car parts and there's

thousands of line items

and they have to fit in a certain category

yeah it's these things

called tariff concessions

so I used to do this

as part of a job that I used to do

and it is

a minefield to

navigate people

sometimes you get people just trying to bring in stuff

and you know they just don't know

any better because

it's not out there for you to know right

but like Europe you had to like sort of navigate

this minefield of things

you're like okay well that

part's not made in Australia so I can

potentially bring it in without any duty

but then you've run into

issues like what's it made from how many

what percentage of that product is

made in America

where the components that make the product

come from and it's just

like intertwined

thing of like a web

problems that you have to like sift through

it's a bloody nightmare

but yeah

sounds like Rob got to the end of it which is

just like a tariff concession which you go

once they ruled out

everything else to be like okay well

there's no one else that can make this heal

there's no

where no one here that can

even produce it

or has like the ability to

or the knowledge to

they have to get down to that sort of level before

doing any duty for this

we don't make anything here anyway so

what's the point of them charging

charging us like this

that's a ridiculous thing

the point of that is that

even the little amounts of things

that we do make here it's to protect

that so it used to be even

worse it used to be like

you want to bring in an intake manifold

like Rob used to

work on them in Toyota

but we make them here so

bringing it in you're going to have to pay duty on it right

so it used to be

even worse but now that manufacturing

has actually died off for the most part

it's

easier to some degree to bring things in

from around the

around the world to Australia

but then you still run into these things and it's like

well have you tried sourcing it here

or have you tried getting it sourced to

to be made here

and then it's just like yeah it's just this whole thing

of like customs just want their piece

they want their slice

of the cake

and yeah it's a lot of red tape

is it just with any parts and stuff

like if you want something from an American website

pretty much it really boils down

to every little thing you can bring in

so they look at it and go

there are some exemptions already

like if it's a known thing of

like I don't know

just trying to come up with something like

the best

example I can give is anything

made from aluminium

has got massive duties applied

to it in Australia because

the aluminium industry

in Australia is

very highly protected so

they will do everything to try

and charge you as much duty as possible

because you are getting something

made overseas

made from aluminium instead of

sourcing it here where it would cost you

even more money

but you are not paying that from the duty

that makes it up to what it will cost to

make it here anyway

but yeah there are very specific things

that you just can't get in Australia or made in Australia

so then that's where

those tariff concessions come into play

so for example

NSXs were so expensive

it's an aluminium

so let's say if I'm ordering parts and rock

order which I've done numerous times

they do put the Australian tax on it

are they taking into account that

is that what they're doing

not necessarily

they're probably just giving you a rough guide

of what it's going to charge you

just based on

5% duty on most consumer goods

and 10% GST on everything

basically right

potentially you can't fight those things

if you're bringing in

10,000 units of something

and it's charging you 5% duty

that's a lot of money

it's going to get into your profit

but if you can somehow prove

that I can't get this made in Australia

there's no one that will do it etc

and then that becomes a tariff

exempt item

and then you actually get to bring that in

without any duty

and offer as an item

in Australian marketplace

so rock order is very

general in terms of what they say

but like

it's just kind of like the

exemption for a personal item or one-off item

so it works out already in several items

so a lot of components

that's the thing, if they think that

you're trying to

make it a commercial thing

that's where they'll sting you

but if it's like well I'm just bringing one for personal use

or whatever right, that's usually fine

for most cases

I thought I'd save money and I'd buy a couple of them

because my mate wanted one, I wanted one

and they come in several pieces

and they were fairly big

I thought easy to ship it all in one hit

what I saved on shipping

I was going to pay on the other end

for tariffs and everything

because I said no

it doesn't meet all that criteria

it's personal, it's one for me

one for my mate, we were there

so I had to write a whole lot

a bit bullshit to it on my holiday

it was just crazy

car parts

just car parts

well I think we've all learned something here today

this has been a very

I thought I'd finish with something

depressing as well

absolutely

best way to go out Scotty

because it kind of connects

with all of this and the industries

with things going all automated

I

had a PD last

Friday

and it was looking at

future

of schools, future learning but also careers

because

you're thinking about

what are you teaching kids these days

it's normally

thinking about jobs in the future

what could be occurring

and there's some interesting statistics

looking at

so right now

47%

of the we're talking about

this is a worldwide thing that they've

done, 47%

of

majority of the industries and businesses

is still run just by

humans

so that's 47%

30% is a combination

and 22% of that

is technology

now by 2030

47% that is just done by humans

is going to drop all the way down to

33%

that big of a difference

is that at the current rate of

like

growth

in that space

so they actually talk to a lot of

huge companies to get all this

data and what they're doing

what their plan is

looking forward and the technologies

that's being used

now and being created

now to create this

kind of scary projection

of what's going on

and it's

combination and it goes up by 3%

from 30 to 33

and then you've got full technology

from that 22% to 34%

and that data breaks down into

certain industries as well where you

can see it cops one a lot

so even people

wanting their first jobs in retail

there's going to be a lot that's going to be shifted

to automation

and we can already kind of see

that when it comes to your

registers and things like that

automotive sector

will be a pretty good hit

in that too

that's what I was going to get on to the

automotive sector

that's gone full circle

because they went full of high level

of automation in Japan

and then they wound it back a bit

to have the human

interaction

so they've actually wound it back over

a period of time to get that right balance

so I think you need that

and then the human

factor is actually maintaining the robots

so you get more labor

involved in maintaining the machinery

there is a job transfer

instead of like replacement

that's what's probably going to happen for

most cases

replacing people

the problem is

when you've got those machineries

you don't need as many people to look after

them

you might have had say

let's just say 20 people

working in that job

you replace it with machinery

and then you probably only need two people

to maintain it

to maintain and keep that going

so that's kind of the push

I mean even

there's still plenty of jobs out there

that machines can't replace

that still need a lot of

human interaction

skills and everything like that

which is good but

it was just really interesting to see

such a major difference

when 2030 is not really that far away

we follow this study and all that

is there going to be a higher demand

for electricians or less

not sure on that data

have a look I haven't gone through the whole document

because it's about 400 pages long

can you program a computer

to read it and summarize that for you

AI I love you

there's actually a really good program

called Helper Bird

and it's actually good for people

with dyslexia

and that as well with reading it

so it will change the colour

of the background to help them

it will put the lines in there

for them under the words to help them stay

where they are for reading

and it also can summarize documents

and stuff for them as well

really cool Helper Bird

so yeah it's great

Jim what were you going to say

first thing to add

I know it's not specifically about cars

but in the discussions about

the winding up of manufacturing here

I don't know

if a lot of podcast listeners know

but if they

and I know it's a car related podcast

but if for whatever reason they are stuck with

perhaps the less some ideal situation

of catching a public bus

and anywhere they see that it says

Volgren they're still made in Australia

oh really

yes so there's a manufacturing facility

in Dandenong, Brisbane and other places as well

they still make

bus bodies for a whole range of manufacturers

and they've just delivered

one which is an electric BYD

chassis as well

and we also still make Dath, Mack

and Kenworth here too

yeah we do make Kenworth

but yeah any Volgren bus you get

on that's made in Dandenong

at least the ones locally anyway

and I also drive past

the Iriza headquarters in Paganum too

and they make more of the buses

and coaches and stuff too

we don't make cars obviously

but it's still good to know that we do make something

when I do step on a volg when I go

oh it's local you know it's sort of a treacherous

it was good

Hitwerves and I know even Kat

were making trucks at one stage

but a lot of the parts were brought over here

and I was assembling them

yeah I think that's the most

for the most case especially the truck world

yeah

Kenworth, Dath and Mann

so it wasn't Mann, it wasn't Mack

the other thing too actually which I think

made truck sales a bit harder of course

when they changed legislation to have B-triples

he sold less trucks then

yeah

because he got an extra trailer

so that was impacting sales for a while

may have recovered now but for a while it was

definitely impacting sales

why was it impacting Jim?

was it just the

what beforehand instead of having

three trucks to tow two trailers

we need two trucks

oh you mean the number of the actual prime

that makes sense

that's true

well let's try

not be morbid anymore

with history

he thinks you're making it sad

you're welcome

I think

it was really impressive

just to hear Rob

tell us

how we used to work in the industry

yeah that was cool

it's something that we don't get often

it was a really nice

maybe now and then you meet people who have

done something in the

automotive space

my neighbour across the road that I just got talking

to one day he designed the fuel tanks

that went into the A

and the B-series

yeah he did like the plastic moulding

and all that stuff that for them

and he was talking to me

and then he worked for a company

called VDO that do all the instrumentation stuff

and I was like

you really like

work deep in the industry

so you're out there

and anything with a B-series

a fuel tank that's my neighbour

across the road

well

so whatever I need an issue

with my B-series

hey mate listen

how do I fix this tank

I remember when they came out there was this

they've got plastic petrol tanks

wow rubbish is that

are they driving around

with one that's just rusted

just sucking rust

into your fuel pump

yeah

I'm going to add an extra bone

I'm going to add the first bonus question

at the start

it's like it's time for the quiz

I want to turn this way so Chad

doesn't see the scores

the thing is we mentioned plastic fuel tanks

question one

this is the first bonus question

what was the first car ever

to feature a plastic fuel tank

the first car ever like worldwide

well the first car in the world

to feature a plastic fuel tank

I was going to say XD Falcon

Rob you were correct it was XD Falcon

what

the XD Falcon was the first car

XD Falcon

was the first car to feature a plastic fuel tank

jeez

I know it was pretty unique

for it's time but I didn't know it was the world's first

yeah it was very unique

it was early 80s

well it was developed in the late 70s

oh right wow

79 XD came out

but first car

to feature a plastic fuel tank

it was a bit of a change from Ford

because all steel bumper cars

they went to plastic bumpers, plastic grill

plastic fuel tank it was a bit of a big thing

there's like an old documentary

video I was watching about them

they were testing they were filling them with water and ice and stuff

they were just dropping them

they have like one

see how they hold up

so Rob

you were on the board

you were on fire last week Rob just putting it out there

he did win so

question number two

in the movie I Am Legend

by Will Smith

he drives what car

in the abandoned city

the Audi isn't it

not in I Am Legend

not in that first scene

abandoned city

abandoned New York

BMW i8

you guys are thinking other Will Smith movies

this is pre-slap

pre-slap

yeah I actually watched this movie so

I didn't like it

I can't remember

it wasn't bad until the ending

that's the way they end it really

but anyway

Ford Mustang

I'll give you a point

bonus question

what speck of Mustang was it

Rob

Fox body Mustang

it wasn't a Fox body Mustang

if you give me the badge that would be good David

Shelby

yep that's half right

it's a quarter of a point

it is a Shelby something

it'll be 500

I'll give it to you

question number three

the Mustang Mach-E

the Mustang Mach-E is outsold

by the Tesla Model Y

how many to one

I'll give closest to

oh Chad

so Chad says 10 to 1

25 to 1

I'll go in between I'll go 12 to 1

12 to 1 says Rob

I'm gonna say

28

28 to 1 says Scotty

he wants you doing Scotty

Jim

I'll say 15 to 1

15 to 1 the answer

is 46 to 1

46

to every one

Mustang Mach-E

so that gives you Scotty the point

it's closest to

it's kind of embarrassing actually

question forward has announced

what model will be sold

earlier than expected in Australia they announced

earlier this week David David

will it be the new Fiesta

I wish

no

I should be interested in Ford for a change

again if that was the case but no

might not be right but

the new heavy duty Ranger

yeah I'll give it to you Rob

it's the super duty Ranger

I saw it on a track today

oh really here you go

I couldn't work out what was

written across the like in relief across the

front of the bonnet there you go

you know and it was

it was a funny color it was like

it was like a like a top

yeah yeah like a banana

re yellow sort of rage

is it based on F 150

that's based on a Ranger but just like

heavy duty like it's got like crazy towing

capacity oh really

it's called the super duty

three and a half

I think it's like 4.5 ton

I think it's something ridiculous

which is insane you shouldn't be

absolutely into like

light vehicle

territory doesn't it yeah

pretty much dude it's a pretty heavy duty thing

anyway next question question number five

Tyrese in the movie too fast

too furious drove

what car Chad

to be she eclipse it did

spider spider that's

the extra point Chad there you go that was my

bonus for the bonus

so question number six by the end

of 2025 a

Dutch company is planning on releasing a solar

powered car using the name

from a famous Pixar character

what is it what's the name of the

Pixar character

Scott is it

Wally Wally I wish it was

but no it's incorrect

that would have been perfect

so Pixar includes

Monsters Inc

The Incredibles

Toy Story

Toy Story in the tapes

Finding Nemo

Chad is it called Buzz Lightyear

I'll give it to you Chad they're calling it

Lightyear

that was a total flu

I was going to call it Woody

Woody yeah

it's like a woody wagon

woody wagon yeah that's good

Lightyear so

the company is called Lightyear

after Buzz Lightyear because

it's a mouthful

question at number seven

the Lombardian car factory

is better known by its name with two words

what is it Rob

Rob

not incorrect

David

is it Alfa Romeo

it is Alfa Romeo David well done

okay

ciao ciao

score check

jimmy at the score

David, Scotty, Rob on two, Chad on three

it's still anybody's game

jimmy still in it I know you can come back

let's go jim come on

question at number eight

the German brand Opel

is now owned by what conglomerate

David

or David just

Peugeot

Jim's next

Stalantis

they've got that grubby hands

after all these years of

GM ownership Stalantis has just gone

yeah

wow I did not know that

I wasn't great at the end anyway

so it's not big

they can't do any worse in General Motors can they

you heard it

no they could

I don't know

question at number nine

which Toyota model

we're in a midsize SUV

which is now discontinued

was made by HINU

by HINU

HINU as in HINU trucks

they made this particular model for

Toyota HINU HINU

whatever you want to say it

it's David

David

I think I'm wrong I just said discontinued

the Fortuner

Fortuner is incorrect but it's similar size

to a Fortuner

it's a midsize SUV by Toyota

it was considered midsize

but it's quite big

but it's not like full Land Cruiser

300 series size

this is a Japanese only model

no it's only one

really

Fortuner

Fortuner is incorrect Rob

Chad is it the Prado

incorrect it's not Prado

Jim and Scotty at the score

what's even left

there's still a couple

quite a few

a couple

can you give us a bit of a time period

I can

2010s

I think it was

let me fact check when it was

originally made

you already had anyway so you

it doesn't matter

it was sold between

2006 and 2022

I did not know that was made by HINU

yep

I agree with you

I don't know

Jim's out, Scotty's out

the FJ Cruiser

was made by HINU

there you go

Toyota couldn't

figure out how to make three wipers work

so they

they didn't know how to make

the suicide doors

I'd laugh

if that was their actual reasoning

we can't figure it out

that makes trucks

is HINU a part of Toyota

they're Toyota

there you go

question 10

this is before the extra bonus question

which manufacturer

has the most wins at Le Mans

Jim

I'm going to guess

Audi

incorrect

David

Porsche

is correct David well done

bonus question

how many wins have they had

it's been kind of a fair while

closest to do we hit

I'll give it to you

35

says David

I'll go 24

24 says Scotty

I'm going 27

says Rob

so Chad and Jim

doing 29

29 says Chad

and Jim

Jim is closest to

it was 19

they've had 19 at victories

bonus

so this is the extra bonus question

so just score check it's quite tight

there is David on 3

Chad on 3

Rob

Scotty and Jim on 2 a piece

so technically

unbelievably it's still anybody's game

last question is a

Rocha question

cool I'll wrap myself off now

you'll be a Jim

okay

so this was a

how am I going to explain it

so it's not a full brochure

it was kind of like a

press kit

example

of the vehicle

I think strong credentials

the bank resets

mini car class benchmark for overall

strength, impressive safety, performance

noise level styling

quality and environmental friendliness

the bank is offered in 3 and 5 door models

with a choice of a manual

and automatic transmission

and 2 equipment levels

the model lineup is the entry level

the bank and the high grade

3 door group X

and the

Jim

Toyota style

it is Toyota style

I didn't think anybody would get the type

the group X

so that was like the top spec

so the life

would have given it away

that was there

yeah not new group X

see Jim you made yourself off too early mate

you're like oh no I'm not going to get it

it comes in

there you go you got it tonight

but unfortunately for you Jim

I'm going to ask another one it's a type

yeah

at least I found these schools that was my worry

mate you've come back hot

believe me you've

you're back in it

you're definitely back in it

so Rob and Scotty you are out

but I'll allow you guys to come back in

if the other three you're not wrong

yeah

blank

the bright star on the road

you could call it the ultimate package

in a small car

the only blank blank with design

power and economy that puts it well

and truly in front

the new 1.6 litre twin cam performance

makes blank and exhilarating

car to drive in either sporty

hatchback or smart sedan

models in SL

SLX and SLE

David

that would be

the hold on over

that would be absolutely correct David Prince

jeez he's good

he is good

the SLSLX and SLE

Nova is the Corolla right?

gotta get a hold on over

that's the ad

jeez

a hold on a Polo on this street

yeah the faded red one

no clear coat left

it's amazing

jump back in man

come back around for the fun of it

so score check

type quiz in the end gentlemen

Rob and Scotty on two a piece

Jim and Chad on three

tonight's winner on the grand total of four is

Mr. David Prince Walder

thank you

could have been anyone's game

special mention great come back

like you're almost you almost pipped them

at the end

it was a good quiz so you worked together

regular quiz as usual

I do appreciate that

you guys are more than welcome to do one for next week

and make me look bad which should be nice

I think that's a quiz

I think that's a podcast gentlemen

let's do some plugs

David's wisdom

well in honour of

Soichiro Honda's birthday yesterday

he was born yesterday in

1906

I can only go

to the old man and say

the value of life can be measured by

how many times your soul has been

stirred

that's a good one I like that

that's wisdom

Soichiro Honda

Chad's deliveries to a place near you

if you've got any magna advice please

please help us on this podcast

some dilemmas and magna

information

love, magna love

that's going to go off tip of the week

alright so

go off tip of the week is mastering those

tight lie chips

and what I mean by those is ones that

a lot of times especially

here on a lot of our golf courses

even if you're on the fairway

they're pretty hard

they're rock solid and it's hard to

kind of chip it properly

it's better when you've got a nice

softer surface but unfortunately

we don't really have much of that

so the way to use these ones

with the setup is

you just set up normally like a normal chip

shot but the club face

slightly open

to get started and the ball

position slightly forward

so normally you kind of have it right in the middle

but slightly forward and

the real aim for this is

taking your arms and wrists out of it

you're not going to be using

so much of your arms and your wrists

kind of moving

it's more of a body shot

kind of like when you're putting so it's kind of your body

just going back and forward

to hit it, that's it

that's a good top tip

impressed

so

Rob's doing it, whatever you need

firefighting, electrical, neighbour hating

heart's importing, welding

decking tolerances

making tolerances, Rob's tolerances

well today with Rob's

reminiscence I think

Rob's memories

Rob's reminiscence

Rob's memories

she had a book, Rob's memoirs

Rob's memoirs, that's her artefactory

you had it here first

Jim anything you want to play my friend

so seeing as

Scotty brought it up

if parents are looking into

how to help their kids get ahead

I would suggest just

help your kids become

emotionally resilient people

I think

so many today are just so immature

and cannot handle the slightest bit

that can be a size issue

if you can teach them to be resilient I think

that will put them really far again

I think we're going to call this segment Jim's Resilience

Jim's Resilience

what was that Rob

give him nothing and take him nowhere

get it out

I was watching Harold and Kumar too

and they had this

son trapped in a basement

it sounds horrible

and he's like well you can't be sitting there

he just yells at him

he's like tough love the best way

he just walks off

I was just like oh my god

that's terrible

when one of my kids was in high school

they were asked to do a resilience program

at lunchtime

and all the parents were

invited to the last thing where they made a presentation

was really really good and then they all got a certificate

except my child

they forgot that one

Resilience is actually

officially not resilient

and he's probably

the most resilient now

yeah

Jim I think the resilience talk

is good

I've had some chats with someone

being a coordinator

of a high school in a certain new level

jeez

you guys could have

some sort of resilience

come on

I will just finish too

how long is the queue

at the moment

and you said

with the receiving messages

every five minutes

last 24 hours from different people

jeez

well Jim I think we need to get out there

and say hey I'm hoping to jump the queue

like just yet

we'll see

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we'll leave it there

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