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169 Genuine Certified Predetermined Collectibles, Theoretical Rallies

169 Genuine Certified Predetermined Collectibles, Theoretical Rallies

Bring a Trailer Podcast May 14, 2026 55 min
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About this episode

Collectors and enthusiasts get deep on how “genuine” cars are verified: Shelby Mustang naming trivia leads into VIN-based authenticity checks, then into certification reports, COAs/Kardex records, and even concerns about swapped-in parts during inspections. The conversation widens to rare, track-only Porsche Wrensport cars and a 935 auction, then pivots to vintage racing culture—Top Fuel dragsters, theoretical go-kart rallies, and drum-brake rally rules—before ending with event plans and track-day talk.

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Car

Cadillac Cimarron

"...M-O-N-T. Okay. I love it. It's a great name. Near Cimarron, New Mexico. Is that with the caverns? Is that li..."

The Cadillac Cimarron is a Cadillac model that’s smaller than many other Cadillacs. In the podcast, people talk about the name and where it comes from. That’s why it stands out in the conversation.

Car

Ford Excursion

"...ving and they're about to go out for the two-week excursion. And thousand scouts who look dirty and grizzled ..."

The Ford Excursion is a very large SUV made by Ford. It’s known for being big enough to carry a lot and handle heavy use. The podcast mentions it as part of a story because it’s such a standout, oversized vehicle.

Car

Shelby GT500

"... Do you know where the name for the GT350 and the GT500 came from? It has never occurred to me in all my ..."

The Shelby GT500 is a performance version of the Ford Mustang made by Shelby. It’s designed to be faster and more powerful than a standard Mustang. The podcast is discussing where the GT350 and GT500 names originate, which is part of understanding what makes these cars special.

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dyno

"And Richard Hammond puts his GT350 [256.9s] on a dyno. It obviously doesn't put out... It was like a 65 or 66?"

A dyno is a test machine that measures how strong a car’s engine is. Instead of guessing from the badge number, they test it on the dyno to see what it really produces. That’s why it matters to their argument.

Car

Jensen Interceptor

"...h, yes. And then I was like, these are 428 police interceptors, so it's not the cubic inches. It's not the HP. C..."

The Jensen Interceptor is a classic car meant for comfortable, fast driving. In the podcast, it’s mentioned in connection with engine and “interceptor” talk, which is about what kind of power it had and how it was described. That’s why it’s part of the conversation.

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police interceptor

"And then when it came time for the 500, they're like, what's a bigger number? Because it's a police interceptor, 428 in the 500."

A police interceptor is a car setup made for police work—built to handle demanding driving. Here it’s mentioned as part of the story about engine/numbering used for a specific model.

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VIN

"He was like, well, what's the VIN? And I'll share it with him. And obviously, he won't tell me what it's supposed to be, right? The stampede on the block, but he'll just tell you if it's right or wrong."

VIN means Vehicle Identification Number. It’s like a car’s unique ID number, and it helps people verify that the car is really what it claims to be.

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numbers matching

"And obviously, he won't tell me what it's supposed to be, right? The stampede on the block, but he'll just tell you if it's right or wrong."

“Numbers matching” means the car’s important parts still have the original identification numbers they left the factory with. Collectors like it because it helps prove the car is authentic.

Car

Shelby Cobra

"...ion that you can go through. I think probably the Cobra Club for Shelby's, but there are a few other indi..."

The Shelby Cobra is a classic sports car that’s known for being fast and exciting to drive. It’s also the kind of car that has dedicated owner groups and clubs. That’s why people talk about it when discussing Shelby-related cars.

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Cobra Club

"I think probably the Cobra Club for Shelby's, but there are a few other individuals out there like David Wise, Jerry McNish..."

The “Cobra Club” is mentioned as a group that helps keep track of certain Shelby cars. The point here is that some clubs maintain records, while others rely more on individual experts.

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McNish

"And then you come, they or you pay for them to fly out to you and they certify your car... I also like the McNish ones where it specifically gives out a whole sheet of all the problems."

“McNish” is the name of a person who does car checks and certification reports for collectors. The hosts like that his paperwork clearly lists issues instead of just saying the car is fine.

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car certification

"And then you come, they or you pay for them to fly out to you and they certify your car... I also like the McNish ones where it specifically gives out a whole sheet of all the problems."

Car certification is when an expert checks a collectible car and writes up what’s correct and what’s wrong. The goal is to document the car so the next owner has trustworthy information.

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chassis numbers

"People learn new stuff about chassis, yeah, chassis numbers and stuff."

Chassis numbers are unique ID codes for a car. Collectors use them to make sure the car being certified is the exact one they think it is.

Company

Shelby inspection

"There's one sneaking issue with all this that I have heard rumors of, and I'm sure it's true actually, is with Shelby inspection specifically, when they go to win awards, they'll be very rare original parts that they'll rent out to..."

This is an inspection/certification process tied to Shelby cars. The worry being discussed is that the car might be “set up” with special original parts just for the inspection or award, instead of showing what’s actually on the car all the time.

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original parts swapping for awards

"when they go to win awards, they'll be very rare original parts that they'll rent out to... Because you don't actually want to run it day to day because it's actually maybe not a very good part."

They’re talking about a potential tactic where special original parts get put on a car just for judging. That could make the car look more authentic than it really is when you’re not looking at it for the inspection.

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certification report

"Then the certification report with that list of what's wrong doesn't show it, but then those parts come right back off of it."

A “certification report” is the written document produced during a collector-car authentication process, typically listing findings and issues. The hosts’ concern is that the report may not reflect parts that are later removed after the inspection, which can undermine trust in what the certification actually represents.

Car

Porsche 912e

"did, they took it down to bare metal, which wouldn't make any sense for a $9,000 912e in 1999. We also bought it from the second owner."

The Porsche 912e is a specific older Porsche model. Here it’s mentioned because the hosts are talking about whether the car’s paperwork and numbers match what it should have from the factory.

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COAs

"That was when they switched from COAs to whatever the newer product is. Now there's an even newer product. So there's a classic technical certificate and a PPS."

COAs are authenticity documents. They’re basically paperwork that helps confirm what a car was originally built with, including the numbers that identify the chassis and engine.

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Redbook

"They're trying to get you to do the Redbook thing though, right? They want you to take it to a center and pay a fortune."

“Redbook” is referenced as a verification/valuation-style process that involves taking the car to a center and paying a fee. The hosts imply it’s used to validate authenticity/originality, but they’re skeptical about the cost and whether it addresses the underlying issue.

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PPS

"So there's a classic technical certificate and a PPS. They're trying to get you to do the Redbook thing though, right?"

PPS is another type of Porsche paperwork. The point is to help confirm what the car is supposed to be, based on factory records.

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engine number

"documentation that shows what the chassis number was and what the engine number is supposed to be, when instead now-"

An engine number is a stamped ID on the engine itself. Here it matters because the hosts are talking about whether the engine in the car matches the engine number that the paperwork says it should have.

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re-stamp

"Which allows you to then re-stamp. Re-stamp, which is tough with an aluminum block. How are you really going to do it?"

Re-stamping means putting the identifying numbers back on an engine (or changing them). The worry is that someone could make a replaced engine look like it’s the original one by matching the numbers.

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aluminum block

"Re-stamp, which is tough with an aluminum block. How are you really going to do it?"

An aluminum block means the engine’s main housing is made of aluminum. The hosts bring it up because it’s harder to redo stamped numbers on aluminum compared to other materials.

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KD engines

"We've definitely seen blank motors. We've seen motors with extra little stampings on them, which maybe indicated a replacement engine. KD engines. Yeah, right."

“KD engines” is a shorthand the hosts use while speculating about why some engines have unusual markings. The key idea is that replacement or differently-sourced engines can make the stamped numbers look “off.”

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Porsche production specification sheet

"Now you can get a Porsche production specification sheet. It's like $100."

This is an official-looking Porsche document that lists how a particular car was built. The hosts mention it as a relatively affordable way to check the car’s details against factory records.

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996 and later

"It's probably worth it for any car that engine originality is not a concern for. So basically, I would say 996 and later, all your water cooled. So that's what"

“996 and later” is a Porsche 911 generation reference. The hosts are saying that from that point onward, the 911s use water cooling instead of the earlier air-cooled setup.

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water cooled

"So basically, I would say 996 and later, all your water cooled. So that's what"

“Water cooled” means the engine uses coolant (liquid) to keep it from overheating. The hosts are using it to explain a big difference between older and newer Porsche 911 engines.

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CTC

"Also calls it the Kermit car. Yes. The other one, the classic technical certificate CTC. That one is like, it's a red book light."

CTC is a type of official certificate for classic cars. It’s meant to confirm details about the car—like whether key parts match what the car originally had.

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water infiltration

"Yeah, they do a full maintenance inspection and tell you, because you don't want that to show up, that your brake fluid was at 3% water infiltration."

Water getting into brake fluid is bad because it can make the brakes less effective when things get hot. It can also cause corrosion in the brake system over time.

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brake fluid flush

"You don't want that on your CTC, right? So you got to get your brakes flush now."

A brake fluid flush is when the old brake fluid is replaced with new fluid. It helps keep the brakes working consistently and reduces moisture-related problems.

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engine original

"That one does the thing where it just says, is the engine original? It was a checkbox and just"

“Engine original” means the engine is the same one the car started with. Certificates try to check this using engine numbers and records.

Car

Porsche 356

"And then there's issue for older cars from 356s all the way until I want to say 1969, [963.3s] is you can get the original Kardex."

The Porsche 356 is an early Porsche model from the company’s classic era. Here it matters because the discussion is about old Porsche records that can help verify what a car was built with.

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Kardex

"is you can get the original Kardex. And that is what the original COAs were all based off of, [969.2s] was that they were just basically going to Germany and pulling the Kardex for it. Kardex [973.3s] looks literally like card stock."

A Kardex is Porsche’s old internal paperwork that records how a car was originally built. It’s useful to collectors because it helps confirm the car’s original options and history.

Car

Ferrari 308

"But when people were building Ferraris and Porsches in the 60s, [1024.8s] they were like, this car is going to get used up and thrown away. [1027.0s] Sure. You're 308."

The Ferrari 308 is a well-known older Ferrari model. In this segment, it’s used to illustrate that back in the 1960s, people didn’t always keep the same kind of detailed records collectors rely on today.

Car

Ford GT350

"So super disappointing on the GT350 thing. You already knew that."

The Ford GT350 is a famous Shelby Mustang from the 1960s that collectors really care about. Here, they’re talking about something disappointing they learned about a GT350.

Brand

Carroll Shelby

"not owned by Carroll Shelby in period, owned by him, bought around 2000... When Carroll Shelby gets out of a GT500, does he have a Carroll Shelby signature in it also?"

Carroll Shelby was a famous racing driver and the person behind Shelby cars. Here, they’re talking about whether his signature would show up on a car he owned, which matters for proving the car’s history.

Car

Ford GT500

"Do you like 500s? I actually like this car in Greece a lot... owned by him... modified... When Carroll Shelby gets out of a GT500, does he have a Carroll Shelby signature in it also?"

The Ford GT500 is a top, high-performance Shelby Mustang. They’re debating whether Carroll Shelby would have signed something on the car while he owned it.

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flash in the pan

"And I would say the pinnacle of it is 67, which is so interesting. It's almost like the Beatles and it's such a flash in the pan. We think about the Shelby timeline."

“Flash in the pan” means something was around for a short time. In this conversation, they’re saying that era of these cars felt brief but important.

Car

Ford GT40

"Oh, wait, that's it. It's such a short. And the GT40s are in there. The GT350, yep. They're all in ther..."

The Ford GT40 is a famous race car made by Ford. It’s known for being very low and short compared to many road cars. The podcast mentions it alongside other classic Ford performance cars because they’re all part of that racing history.

Car

Ford Mustang GT350

"And I think they brought out like the GT350 replaced basically."

The Ford Mustang GT350 is a special, track-oriented version of the Mustang. The hosts are saying it’s one of the most important “Shelby-era” Mustangs to look for.

Car

Ford Mustang GT500

"But yeah, GT500s, I think are awesome."

The Ford Mustang GT500 is the more extreme, higher-performance Mustang in the Shelby family. The hosts are basically saying it’s a great choice if you’re shopping for a serious Mustang.

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four speed

"A four speed and a fun color would be perfect. ... This is also a four speed, which I like."

“Four speed” means the car has four forward gears. People often like it because it can make the car more fun to drive than an automatic.

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huge displacement

"they wanted a huge displacement, they wanted an automatic."

“Displacement” is basically the engine’s size. When someone says “huge displacement,” they mean a big engine, which many buyers associate with classic muscle-car character.

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automatic

"they wanted a huge displacement, they wanted an automatic."

An “automatic” is a gearbox that changes gears by itself. The hosts are saying that, for some buyers, automatics were what they wanted most.

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period front engine dragster

"The period front engine dragster, did I show that to you? I've been talking about wanting one of these forever."

This is a drag-race car where the engine is mounted in front of the driver. “Period” means it’s the older, classic style from that era.

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topolino body

"You know, a buddy and I were talking about buying that one that has the topolino body on it. This is a 68 top fuel dragster."

“Topolino” is a custom body style that takes inspiration from the Fiat Topolino. On a dragster, it’s mainly about the look—how the car’s shape is styled.

Car

68 top fuel dragster

"This is a 68 top fuel dragster. Oh my God. I know, it's so dope."

A Top Fuel dragster is a race car built to go as fast as possible in a straight line. The “68” means it’s from the late-1960s era, when these cars had a very recognizable look.

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wings in front of the rear wheels

"It has the wings in front of the rear wheels, which I like, the little stub wings."

Those “stub wings” are small fins on the car. They help the car stay stable at speed and they’re also part of the classic look.

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cackle fests

"It's been at cackle fests. Obviously like blown hemi. It's super, super cool."

A “cackle fest” is an event where people show off loud drag-racing engines. The cars get fired up so spectators can hear them and see them run briefly.

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blown hemi

"Obviously like blown hemi. It's super, super cool."

A “blown hemi” is a V8 engine known for its design, and it’s boosted with forced induction (like a supercharger). That boost helps it make much more power for racing.

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differential's right in between your legs

"These are the front engine dragsters where the differential's right in between your legs. I love these."

On this kind of dragster, the differential (the part that lets the wheels turn at different speeds) is packaged unusually close to the driver. That’s part of the distinctive layout of these cars.

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respirator mask

"And you can do these cackle fest things where you fire them up and you have to wear the, you know, the respirator mask because you're behind all the nitro pouring out of the motor."

A respirator mask is worn to protect your breathing. The host mentions it here because the fumes from these race cars can be harmful.

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nitro

"And you can do these cackle fest things where you fire them up and you have to wear the, you know, the respirator mask because you're behind all the nitro pouring out of the motor."

“Nitro” means nitromethane, a special racing fuel. It helps these dragsters make huge power.

Car

Dodge Nitro

"...my mechanic because I, I'm not going to work on a nitro motored car. And he's already got his dad's alcoh..."

The Dodge Nitro is an SUV made by Dodge for regular driving. The podcast mentions it because someone doesn’t want to work on a car with a certain kind of engine setup. That’s a common ownership topic—who can maintain the vehicle and what it’s like to service.

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alcohol front engine

"And he's already got his dad's alcohol front engine. It's actually like a Roadster has like a Model T body on the back dragster that he maintains."

In racing, “alcohol” means the car uses alcohol-based fuel instead of regular gas. It needs different tuning, but it’s popular in drag racing because it can help the engine make strong power.

Car

Ford Model T

"It's actually like a Roadster has like a Model T body on the back dragster that he maintains."

The Model T is an old Ford. Here, the speaker is saying the dragster uses a Model T-style body, mostly for the look and classic vibe.

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no cooling systems

"We went to one me and him at Famoso down in Bakersfield where the way they would start these cars, you don't have starters, they don't have cooling systems, right?"

They’re describing a race-only setup that doesn’t use a normal cooling system. The car is only run for a short time, so it doesn’t need to stay cool like a daily driver would.

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no starters

"We went to one me and him at Famoso down in Bakersfield where the way they would start these cars, you don't have starters, they don't have cooling systems, right?"

The speaker is saying these old race cars may not have a normal electric starter. Instead, they use a different way to get the engine running for the race.

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quarter mile

"Okay. So there's the quarter mile. They're actually like a half mile because you have the shutdown in place."

Drag races are often measured in a “quarter mile,” which is about 400 meters. It’s a standard distance people associate with drag racing.

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shutdown

"They're actually like a half mile because you have the shutdown in place. And then you exit and there's a return road in between usually the bleachers and the strip."

The “shutdown” is the extra stretch after the finish where drivers slow down safely. So the track might be longer than the race distance you hear about.

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tow vehicle

"And the way they would apparently start these old front engine cars back in the day is your tow vehicle, like a lot of times a woody wagon or a pickup truck, would have a plate on the front like for Bonneville"

A tow vehicle is the vehicle used to move the drag car around the track. In this story, it also plays a role in how the car gets started for the run.

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Bonneville

"would have a plate on the front like for Bonneville and there's a little bar on the back of the dragster and about halfway down the return road, you'd push startup"

Bonneville is a famous place for speed records. The speaker is saying the tow vehicle had a plate associated with that speed-record world.

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burnout

"And then they'd make a turn, do the burnout, do the run."

A burnout is when the driver briefly spins the tires to warm them up. That can help the tires grip better when the car launches.

Car

62 Plymouth Savoy

"but this is a 62 Plymouth Savoy, which is like this kind of standard looking thing, but this is a max wedge three speed. So it's got, look at this motor."

This is a Plymouth Savoy from 1962, and the cool part is that it’s been set up for drag racing. The host points out special engine parts and a big V8 that make it stand out from a normal Savoy.

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max wedge

"but this is a 62 Plymouth Savoy, which is like this kind of standard looking thing, but this is a max wedge three speed. So it's got, look at this motor."

“Max Wedge” is a special drag-racing performance setup from the early 1960s. It usually means the engine and intake/exhaust were built to make strong power for racing in a straight line.

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cross-ramps

"This is like basically for drag racing with cross-ramps. I know. It's really hard to take. Yeah. Well, that's cross-ramps."

“Cross-ramps” describes a special intake design used on drag-racing engines. Instead of a normal intake, the air paths are shaped to help the engine breathe better for racing.

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long runners

"So there's a four barrel under each one of those with long runners running into each side. That's got a three speed manual transmission."

“Long runners” are the tubes inside the intake system that carry air to the engine. Their length can help the engine make better torque in the RPM range you care about for racing.

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four barrel

"So there's a four barrel under each one of those with long runners running into each side. That's got a three speed manual transmission."

A “four-barrel” carburetor is a type of fuel system that can supply a lot of fuel when you floor it. Drag-racing engines often use this because they need strong fuel delivery at full throttle.

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three speed manual transmission

"That's got a three speed manual transmission. I mean, look at it in period."

This car uses a manual gearbox with three forward gears. The driver uses a clutch and shifts by hand, which can help keep the engine in the right power range for racing.

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headers

"I mean, look at it in period. I mean, with the headers and everything, it was just an absolute monster, like, you know, stock class drag racer."

Headers are a performance exhaust part that helps gases get out of the engine more efficiently. They’re commonly used on race-focused cars to support stronger power.

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stock class drag racer

"with the headers and everything, it was just an absolute monster, like, you know, stock class drag racer."

A “stock class” drag racer is built to race under rules that restrict modifications. It’s meant to be closer to what you could call “stock,” compared to the most extreme race builds.

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drag racing package

"Or I don't know if it's drag racing package specifically, but you're getting kind of a standard stripper street car."

A drag racing package is a set of upgrades meant for straight-line races. The idea is to help the car launch harder and run faster more reliably for drag racing.

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stripper street car

"Or I don't know if it's drag racing package specifically, but you're getting kind of a standard stripper street car."

A stripper street car is a basic, stripped-down version of a performance car. It’s meant to be lighter and cheaper, while still being legal to drive on the road.

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powertrain

"But then you put the biggest medius powertrain and rear end and manual transmission into it and take it drag racing."

Powertrain is the set of parts that makes the car move—like the engine and the gearbox and how that power gets to the wheels. Bigger powertrain usually means stronger/ more capable mechanical setup.

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rear end

"But then you put the biggest medius powertrain and rear end and manual transmission into it and take it drag racing."

“Rear end” is the back axle area of the car, including the gears that send power to the rear wheels. For drag racing, the rear gears can make the car launch and accelerate better.

Topic

Barrett-Jackson

"We saw one at Barrett Jackson. That was when we were in. We were in Scottsdale."

Barrett-Jackson is a big auction where people buy and sell collectible cars. The hosts are saying they saw this car at that kind of event.

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Hurst shifter

"Hurst shifter in this. [1583.9s] I mean, just a rad car. [1585.1s] I have like another hot rod thing too, but tell me a little bit about what's on your list."

A Hurst shifter is a popular aftermarket gear shifter. People like it because it can make shifting feel more precise and fun.

Car

2024 GT3 R Wrensport

"but this is a 2024 GT3 R Wrensport. [1599.0s] Oh yeah. [1599.8s] Howard was talking about this. [1600.4s] School me on this."

This is a Porsche track car based on the GT3. The important part here is that the version they’re talking about is meant for track days only, not normal street driving.

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twin turbo

"It was the twin turbo 991 track car. [1626.9s] So it's not a GT3 cup car."

“Twin turbo” means the engine has two turbochargers. They help the car make more power by pushing extra air into the engine.

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GT3 cup car

"So it's not a GT3 cup car. [1630.4s] It's not a car that's meant to be raced in a league. [1632.5s] It's purely a track day toy, not street legal."

A “GT3 cup car” is a race car built for organized competition. The point here is that the Wrensport car they’re talking about isn’t meant for that kind of league racing.

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street legal

"It's purely a track day toy, not street legal. [1634.8s] We've listed a couple of those, right?"

“Street legal” means the car is allowed to drive on public roads. They’re saying this one isn’t—it's meant for track days instead.

Car

Porsche 935

"They did do 935 was shot there. This is obviously not the original 935. But they look like it."

The Porsche 935 is a legendary race version of the 911. Here, they’re saying the car they’re discussing looks like a 935, but it’s not the original one.

Car

Porsche 911 GT2 RS club sport

"It's essentially a GT2 RS club sport with even less, all the street legal parts pulled out of it and then no requirements for engine tuning."

The Porsche 911 GT2 RS is a very track-oriented 911. The “club sport” version is even more stripped down for track use, and the hosts say this build removes street parts and lets the team tune the engine freely.

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engine tuning

"all the street legal parts pulled out of it and then no requirements for engine tuning. They can do whatever they want."

Engine tuning means adjusting the car’s engine settings so it runs the way you want. Here, they’re saying the rules don’t limit how you tune it.

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cup series

"And in fact, Porsche supported it by doing a GT2 RS club sport slash 935 racing support series, similar to cup series. They did that ahead of, I want to say, a few F1 races in Europe."

A “cup series” is a type of racing where the cars are more similar to each other and the rules keep things fairly even. They’re comparing Porsche’s support series to that kind of setup.

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flat six

"This is going to be just a normal naturally aspirated, but 4.2 liter flat six. I like how clean the design of it is."

A flat-six is an engine with six cylinders arranged in a sideways layout. The hosts say this car uses a 4.2-liter flat-six, which is a classic Porsche-style engine design.

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naturally aspirated

"This is going to be just a normal naturally aspirated, but 4.2 liter flat six. I like how clean the design of it is."

Naturally aspirated means the engine makes its power without turbos or a supercharger. They’re saying the next car uses that kind of engine.

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air foils

"I like how clean the design of it is. It doesn't have a ton of air foils everywhere. There's no, like, Nacoducks every five inches."

Air foils are wing-shaped parts that help control airflow over the car. They can help the car stick to the track, and the hosts say this one is less cluttered than typical RS aero.

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Nacoducks

"It doesn't have a ton of air foils everywhere. There's no, like, Nacoducks every five inches. It's actually less busy than an RS in some ways."

“Nacoducks” is a nickname for small air-duct shapes on cars. They’re often used to bring cooling air to parts like brakes, and the hosts say this design has fewer of them.

Concept

track day car

"high end of a track day car. Are they looking at drivers who don't want to be bothered with all of those things as much?"

A track day car is a car people bring to a race track for fun driving. It’s usually set up to handle faster driving and more stress than a normal commute.

Concept

hammering miles

"So, like, clearly you're planning on, hopefully, like, hammering miles and someone's coming in and dropping some gas on you."

“Hammering miles” just means driving a lot, usually pretty aggressively. Here it suggests the car might be used for serious track-style mileage.

Concept

livery

"This has a really good livery on it, too. For sure. It's basically a red light blue. A little bit of a martini-esque."

Livery is the car’s paint scheme and graphics—its “look.” Collectors care because it can match the car’s racing style or history.

Concept

white glove car

"That's a white glove car? White glove car, yeah. Rollins are doing that one."

A “white glove car” usually means a super high-end collector car that’s been carefully checked and handled. Think “premium, well-documented, ready to show,” not a rough or mystery car.

Concept

pre-determined collectibility

"I don't know if I love the predetermined collectibility of a car era that we're living in now."

This phrase is about the idea that some cars are treated like collectibles ahead of time. Instead of being special because of what they are, they’re valued because people expect them to be valuable later.

Concept

speculation

"I don't know if I love the predetermined collectibility of a car era that we're living in now. Oh, yeah, the speculation."

Here, “speculation” means people buying cars hoping they’ll be worth more later. It’s more about future money than enjoying the car now.

Topic

theoretical rallies

"What do you think was the first speculated car? Meaning people bought it. I have a very strong opinion about it."

They’re talking through a hypothetical idea about which car started the whole collectible/speculation trend. It’s more of a debate than a factual report.

Concept

collector's edition

"they weren't going to call it a collector's edition, but they were like, this is going to be an important car someday."

A “collector’s edition” is basically a special version of a car that’s marketed as limited and likely to be valuable later. The hosts are saying dealers wanted to sell that idea without using the exact phrase.

Car

Honda S2000

"I bet people did the same with S2000s. 1865.7s I'm sure there are cars that are earlier than the GNX"

The Honda S2000 is a fun, lightweight roadster that’s known for revving high. People also sometimes buy them and keep them with very low miles.

Car

Porsche 930

"but would somebody have bought an E9, 930 1874.2s and just left it in their showroom?"

The Porsche 930 is an older 911 that came with a turbo. It’s a classic, collectible version of the 911 that many enthusiasts still talk about today.

Car

Acura NSX

"Because a lot of the NSXes, they're like, oh, this is the end. 1889.9s Right, so it was like Z8s."

The Acura NSX is a famous mid-engine supercar from Acura. Here it’s mentioned as an example of a car people thought was ending, which can drive collectors to buy and hold them.

Car

BMW Z8

"Right, so it was like Z8s. 1892.0s Right, people knew that was a one-off."

The BMW Z8 is a rare BMW roadster with a very distinctive, classic look. In this segment, it’s brought up as a car people knew wouldn’t be replaced.

Car

GNX

"“GNX, though, I can't think of a car from before then where we regularly get no-mile versions of it submitted… because there was a culture around investing in it.”"

The Buick GNX is a special, limited-run performance version of the Grand National from the 1980s. People often treat it like a collectible, so you’ll hear about low-mile cars being kept instead of driven.

Car

Buick Regal

"I like regular GNs. I like Regal, Turbo T's. I like all of them."

The Buick Regal is a mid-size car made by Buick. Some versions are turbocharged and aimed at performance, not just comfort. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because the speaker likes those faster Regal variants.

Car

Vipers

"“Around that same time, early Vipers, we know people speculated on those like the very first RT-10s.”"

“Vipers” means the Dodge Viper, a loud and powerful American sports car. The discussion is about how early ones became collectible and were sometimes bought more for investment than use.

Car

Fox bodies

"“We see low-mileage special edition Fox bodies sometimes, right?”"

“Fox bodies” are a generation of Ford Mustang from the late 1970s into the early 1990s. Some special versions are collected and kept with very low miles.

Car

Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost

"... people were restoring Duesenbergs and, you know, Silver Ghosts, Rolls Royces and stuff. So there was speculation..."

The Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost is an old luxury car known for being very refined and well-engineered. The podcast mentions it in the context of classic-car restoration and interest. It’s a famous model name that collectors recognize.

Car

Duesenberg J and SJ

"Like even when you bought a Duesenberg new, [2016.8s] you bought it to drive it and to be seen in it. ... Every single Duesenberg, J and SJ is still around."

Duesenberg J and SJ were extremely rare, high-end cars made before World War II. People still talk about them because so few have survived, and collectors care a lot about whether the original car—or just the original frame—made it to today.

Term

chassis plate

"Chassis plate. [2042.1s] Find the chassis plate, build a whole car."

A chassis plate is like the car’s ID label attached to the frame. Collectors care because it can help prove which original frame the car is based on.

Concept

architectural preservation

"The whole concept of architectural preservation [2045.9s] like doesn't even start until like the 60s and 70s after [2050.2s] redevelopment boom, right?"

Architectural preservation means saving old buildings instead of tearing them down. They’re using it as a comparison to how car collectors try to save important original parts and rebuild the rest.

Brand

Porsche Club of America

"Well, and also now we have a better word for weirdo, which would just be enthusiast, right? And that is going to allow for multiple markets to develop, because you're going to have the same with the Porsche Club of America started in the 60s purely because people needed basically a way to use this car."

The Porsche Club of America is a big Porsche fan club in the U.S. It started decades ago to help owners connect and do things together with their cars.

Car

Fiat 124

"...ved from Chicago to San Francisco. They drove the Fiat 124 Spyder with no air conditioning. Amazing."

The Fiat 124 GT Abarth is a sporty version of the Fiat 124. Abarth is known for making cars feel more performance-oriented. The podcast brings it up in the context of a real driving story from that car’s era.

Car

Fiat 124 Spyder

"Yes. My mom and dad moved from Chicago to San Francisco. They drove the Fiat 124 Spyder with no air conditioning."

The Fiat 124 Spyder is a small open-top roadster from Fiat. The interesting part here is that the family drove it a long distance without air conditioning, which shows how people used older cars for real road trips.

Car

Porsche 911

"because you think about your 308 or my 911 [2396.8s] and driving that for, imagine putting a thousand miles in a day on that. [2401.3s] That would be rough."

The Porsche 911 is one of the most iconic sports cars ever made. The speaker is using it as an example of a car that can be tough to live with on a super-long trip—especially if it’s an older one.

Concept

Colorado Grand

"[2444.3s] I think it was a C3 or C4R on the Colorado Grand. [2448.7s] That's like a race car with straight pipes."

The Colorado Grand is a classic motorsport event in Colorado. Here it’s mentioned to show that old race cars were driven long distances, not just raced on short tracks.

Term

dry set motor

"[2455.6s] oh yeah, the passenger seat was, the oil tank is there. [2460.4s] It's a dry set motor. [2461.6s] So whoever's on the right side is sitting and it's open pipes, right?"

A “dry set motor” is basically a race-car oil system. Instead of oil sitting in the engine pan, it’s stored in a separate tank so the engine keeps getting oil even when the car is being driven hard.

Term

open pipes

"[2461.6s] So whoever's on the right side is sitting and it's open pipes, right? [2464.7s] By your ears and you're just out in the sun."

“Open pipes” means the exhaust is basically loud and not muffled much. It can be brutal on long drives because it’s so loud and you’re more exposed to the noise.

Term

blower

"back into them is like, you're also, well, for the guy in the blower Bentley, [2611.7s] like, what do you want to drive your blower Bentley around a bunch of Teslas?"

A “blower” here means a supercharger. It pushes extra air into the engine so the car can make more power.

Car

Alfa Gtvs

"...2 or whatever, and you're around a bunch of other GTVs and 2002s from the same era. And there are those ..."

The Alfa Romeo GTV is a sporty two-door car made by Alfa Romeo. People who like these cars often compare them to other GTVs from the same time period. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because the discussion is about that group of similar cars.

Concept

four-wheel drum brake rally

"The thing I'm obsessed with right now, and this is stolen from Randy, [2678.1s] and I think via Randy back to Howard's dad, is the four-wheel drum brake rally. [2683.0s] Oh, sure. Yes."

They’re talking about a rally where the cars have drum brakes on all four wheels. Drum brakes are an older braking system, and the event is basically built around that classic setup.

Term

four-wheel drums

"You can only come if you have four-wheel drums. And I would love to get like young people on that."

Drum brakes are brakes where a shoe presses against a spinning drum. If it’s “four-wheel drums,” that means every wheel uses that drum style, which can get less effective when you brake hard again and again.

Car

Chevrolet Corvette

"But Randy's Chrysler could do that. C2 Corvettes."

“C2 Corvettes” are a specific generation of the Chevrolet Corvette. Here they’re mentioned because some C2s used drum brakes on all four wheels, which can get hot if you brake hard a lot.

Term

disc brakes

"It's like, dude, just put on a disc, but they're like really stretching drum brakes. But 300SLs, go-wings, those are four-wheel drum."

Disc brakes use a spinning disc and pads that clamp onto it. They usually cope better than drum brakes when you brake hard again and again because they stay cooler.

Term

drum brakes stretching

"It's like, dude, just put on a disc, but they're like really stretching drum brakes. But 300SLs, go-wings, those are four-wheel drum."

They mean “pushing drum brakes harder than they’re meant for.” When drum brakes get too hot, they can stop working as well, so the car feels like it’s losing braking power.

Car

300SLs

"But 300SLs, go-wings, those are four-wheel drum. Maybe the late ones are discs."

They’re talking about the Mercedes-Benz 300SL. Even though it’s a famous performance car, the point here is that some versions used drum brakes on all four wheels.

Term

front discs

"The roadsters have front discs, but the go-wings are four-wheel drum."

Disc brakes use a metal disc that gets squeezed by pads to slow the car. They usually handle hard driving better than drum brakes.

Concept

GTU category

"You could do all different kinds of stuff. You could do a GTU category, right?"

A “GTU category” is basically a rule-based race class. Cars have to meet certain requirements so they compete more fairly.

Term

under three liter

"It's all under three liter. Carbs only."

“Under three liter” is about engine size. Racing rules often limit engine displacement so cars don’t get too powerful just by using a bigger engine.

Term

Carbs only

"It's all under three liter. Carbs only. Carbs only. If you have injection."

“Carbs only” means the cars would have carburetors, not modern fuel injection. Carburetors mix fuel and air in a simpler, older-school way.

Term

injection

"Carbs only. If you have injection. Ooh, that's good."

Here, “injection” means fuel injection—fuel is sprayed into the engine using electronically controlled valves. It’s different from carburetors, which mix fuel and air mechanically.

Term

five-speeds

"Four-speed gearboxes. Oh, no five-speeds. No five-speeds. Wow."

“Five-speeds” means the car has five forward gears instead of four. That extra gear can make the car easier to drive at more speeds.

Term

AC

"No AC. No AC is one. No AC in June or whatever."

“AC” means air conditioning. They’re saying they don’t want a car without it, at least for certain months or conditions.

Topic

track day run groups

"I mean, with our track day, we're talking about potential run groups from when we do our track day, which I know we've talked about on the pod before."

At a track day, “run groups” are like different sessions for drivers. Faster and slower drivers are separated so everyone has a safer, less chaotic experience.

Car

Porsche Boxster

"And maybe they'd even be scared of, because even just a base model 2006 Boxster is so much faster [2845.2s] that you don't even want to be on track at the same time."

A Porsche Boxster is a sports car with the engine placed near the middle of the car. Here, they’re saying that even a basic 2006 Boxster can be so fast on a track that it changes how safe and comfortable other drivers feel.

Concept

car can't be worth more than $500

"And there was two divisions within it, similar to 24 Hours of Lemons, [2868.9s] which was your car can't be worth more than $500. [2872.2s] And the way they enforce it is at any point in time, [2874.1s] they can offer to buy your car for $500 and you have to do it."

This describes a “hard cap” rule used in budget racing: the car’s value is limited to a set amount (here, $500). The host also explains an unusual enforcement method—at any point, the organizers can offer to buy the car for $500—so teams can’t just claim a low value.

Concept

24 Hours of Lemons

"And there was two divisions within it, similar to 24 Hours of Lemons, [2868.9s] which was your car can't be worth more than $500."

24 Hours of LeMons is a kind of race where the cars have to be cheap by design. They use it as an example of rules that force people to race affordable cars instead of expensive builds.

Term

eight-cylinder division

"But with Sycamore Raceway, the two divisions were just simply a [2878.9s] four-cylinder division and an eight-cylinder division."

They also split the race into a category for engines with eight cylinders. It’s a way to group cars so the competition isn’t totally dominated by bigger engines.

Term

four-cylinder division

"But with Sycamore Raceway, the two divisions were just simply a [2878.9s] four-cylinder division and an eight-cylinder division."

They split the race into groups based on how many cylinders the engine has. Here, “four-cylinder” is one of the categories used to sort cars for fairer competition.

Car

Dodge Neons

"But with Sycamore Raceway, the two divisions were just simply a [2884.1s] four-cylinder division and an eight-cylinder division. [2887.6s] And it made for the Dodge Neons, just like going head-to-head on dirt."

The Dodge Neon is a small, budget-friendly car. In this story, it’s used as an example of the kind of car people raced head-to-head on dirt tracks.

Concept

front-wheel drive economy cars

"It was like the cheapest way to get into oval-track dirt racing. [2902.4s] And there's a bunch of people in front-wheel drive economy cars, [2904.6s] but stripped-down cages."

Front-wheel drive means the front wheels do the work of moving the car. They’re describing the kind of cheap everyday cars people use to get into dirt oval racing.

Term

stripped-down cages

"And there's a bunch of people in front-wheel drive economy cars, [2904.6s] but stripped-down cages."

A “cage” here means a roll cage—extra metal framework inside the car to help protect you if the car flips or crashes. They’re saying people often use a simpler, cheaper version for these budget races.

Car

Toyota Corolla

"Doing a very good job. He's in the Corolla, I believe. Doing that one."

The Toyota Corolla is a small, everyday car that many people buy because it’s practical. It’s also known for being reliable and easy to live with. In the podcast, it’s mentioned as the car someone is using or talking about.

Concept

pre-75 eligibility rule

"For a long time, it was pre-75 for a lot of these, and I had to get special dispensation for the 912, which is interesting because now a dozen years later, that restriction kind of still is like, that's like now a 50-year-old car."

They’re talking about an age rule for the event. “Pre-75” means the car has to be older than 1975, and sometimes you need permission if your car is just outside the cutoff.

Car

Porsche 912

"For a long time, it was pre-75 for a lot of these, and I had to get special dispensation for the 912, which is interesting because now a dozen years later, that restriction kind of still is like, that's like now a 50-year-old car."

The Porsche 912 is a classic Porsche from the early 1960s. It’s related to the 911, but it’s a different (and usually less powerful) model—so it can come up when events have age rules for which cars are allowed.

Concept

special dispensation

"For a long time, it was pre-75 for a lot of these, and I had to get special dispensation for the 912, which is interesting because now a dozen years later, that restriction kind of still is like, that's like now a 50-year-old car."

They’re saying the organizers made an exception. Even though the event has strict rules about which cars qualify, they allowed that one car anyway.

Concept

rally car

"I'm thinking about this all the time about trying to eventually do a rally car that I could be comfortable parking on the street... I was like, they were asking about Randy's Julia Ti... this green one's a rally car."

A rally car is a car set up for rally races, where the roads can be rough and unpredictable. It’s usually built to handle event conditions, even if it’s not as clean or comfortable as a normal car.

Term

leaking oil

"And they're both kind of ratty and yet they sit inside, mine leaking oil. No, it's not even really leaking that much, but I do want to do more of that stuff."

“Leaking oil” means the car is losing oil somewhere under the hood or under the car. If it gets worse, the engine can run low on oil, which can cause serious problems.

Car

300 Sl Gullwing

"...cars or results or anything like that? We had our 300 SL Gullwing in white glove clothes sold at 1.5 mil. That was ..."

The 300 SL Gullwing is a classic sports car famous for its doors that open upward like wings. The podcast mentions it because one was sold for a very high amount and was presented in top condition. That’s why it comes up in collector conversations.

Concept

driver's spec

"That's one where the car was very much a driver's spec, but I think because it had been with the owner for so long and he knew the car so well,"

“Driver’s spec” is collector shorthand for a car that’s set up to be used and enjoyed rather than kept purely as an investment. It implies the car is sorted for real driving—often with tasteful, practical choices—so buyers feel more confident taking it to events.

Concept

unknown factor

"but I think because it had been with the owner for so long and he knew the car so well, people are always afraid of the unknown. So it could have looked twice as good, but the person bought it in 2024 and it would have sold"

They’re talking about the risk of not knowing what you’re really buying. If the car’s history or condition is unclear, people tend to bid less.

Concept

sorted car

"Sorted car, you're buying the seller, not the car. And most people who buy those, speaking of rallies and events,"

A “sorted car” means it’s been taken care of and is working the way it should. It’s less of a gamble for the buyer because it’s not likely to need urgent fixes.

Topic

rallies and events

"And most people who buy those, speaking of rallies and events, want to go out and use them. For sure, completely."

They’re talking about car gatherings and events—like rallies—where people want to drive their cars, not just look at them.

Car

Aston Martin DB5

"... Silver Arrows, our buddies, did you see the blue DB5? I'm not a huge DB5 guy."

The Aston Martin DB5 is a classic luxury sports car. People often talk about it because it’s a well-known model with a strong reputation. In the podcast, it’s mentioned as part of a discussion about which DB cars are most interesting.

Car

DB4

"I'm not a huge DB5 guy. I'm more of a DB4, but come the F on. Isn't that amazing?"

The Aston Martin DB4 is a classic luxury sports car from Aston Martin. In the podcast, someone says they prefer the DB4 over another similar DB model. That means they like the DB4’s specific character within that family of cars.

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