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270: Morbid Curiosity

270: Morbid Curiosity

The Watt Car EV Podcast May 14, 2026 58 min
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About this episode

A quick pivot from EV politics into a real-world look at a hearse-style EV leads to a bigger theme: how EVs and connected services reshape engineering, privacy, and even city life. The hosts unpack upfitter coachbuilding constraints around EV “skateboard” platforms and battery-pack placement, then debate range for funeral routes and how Cadillac’s EV momentum is changing the brand. Later, they dig into GM/California driver-data settlements, usage-based insurance tracking, and the policy question of how EVs should fund roads—before zooming out to robotaxis, smart cities, and Tesla’s Model S/X end-of-line.

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Car

Cadillac Lyric

"...gue? Cadillac can take them to the grave in their lyric hearse, which we also talked about last week. Yea..."

The Cadillac Lyriq is an all-electric SUV made by Cadillac. It’s built to be a comfortable, everyday luxury vehicle, but powered by a battery instead of gasoline. People talk about it because it’s Cadillac’s EV offering in the SUV category.

Term

EV

"I mean, it should be decently fast because it's an EV, it's got all that torque. So is this the quick and the dead?"

EV means electric vehicle. It runs on an electric motor powered by a battery, not a gas engine.

Term

torque

"I mean, it should be decently fast because it's an EV, it's got all that torque. So is this the quick and the dead?"

Torque is the “twisting power” that helps the car move. Electric cars usually have a lot of it right away, so they can feel quick without much effort.

Concept

rear motor only

"So is this the quick and the dead? The rear motor only, but still. Yeah, still. It's enough to shift the casket to the back when you gun it."

“Rear motor only” means the electric motor is only powering the back wheels. That can change how the car launches and how it grips the road.

Term

coach building

"You want to get into the hearse? ... I don't know how much you know about like coach building and limo building,"

Coach building is the practice of taking a production car chassis/body and having a specialized shop modify it into a custom body style—like a limousine or hearse. In this segment, it’s used to explain how certain luxury American brands historically provided the base vehicle for these conversions.

Car

Cadillac Deville

"Cadillac would build like a specific configuration of like the Deville or the Fleetwood or whatever."

The Cadillac DeVille is a big, older Cadillac sedan. People sometimes used it as the starting point for custom builds like limos and hearses, then modified it for the job.

Car

Cadillac Fleetwood

"Cadillac would build like a specific configuration of like the Deville or the Fleetwood or whatever."

The Cadillac Fleetwood is a large Cadillac model. In the past, custom builders could start with one and then modify it into things like hearses or limousines.

Term

upfitters

"And they would basically shift these off to up what they call upfitters."

Upfitters are shops that take a normal vehicle and customize it for a specific use. Here, they’re the companies that turn a base Cadillac into a limo or hearse.

Term

frame extenders

"And they would basically shift these off to up what they call upfitters... add like frame extenders."

Frame extenders are parts that lengthen the car’s main structural frame. They’re used when builders stretch a vehicle to make room for extra body section length.

Concept

body-on-frame

"And they would basically shift these off to up what they call upfitters... when they were still body on frames add like frame extenders."

Body-on-frame means the car has a separate “skeleton” frame, and the body bolts or mounts to it. That makes it easier to stretch and rebuild for custom vehicles like hearses and limos.

Term

high voltage battery

"Because I would not recommend running a sawzall through a high voltage battery that might not be the best idea."

An electric car has a battery that runs the drivetrain using high voltage electricity. The speaker is warning that you shouldn’t cut into or damage it during conversions.

Concept

skateboard

"So what I'm wondering is if kind of the the skateboard and the wheelbase, the overall dimensions are kind of predefined on this."

On many EVs, the battery and motors are built into a flat platform underneath the car. The speaker is asking whether that platform’s size is fixed before custom builders modify the vehicle.

Car

Cadillac Escalade

"... 2025 Cadillac sold 7800 nearly 7900. Vistix 8100 Escalades 12 nearly 12200 optics and 20 nearly 21000 lyrics..."

The Cadillac Escalade is a large luxury SUV. It’s designed for comfort and room, with a premium interior. It’s commonly mentioned because it’s a top-selling, high-profile SUV in the luxury segment.

Car

Cadillac Ctsv

"Like the CTSV wagon, like. [899.5s] Oh, the wagon's long gone."

Cadillac’s CTS-V is the fast, performance version of the CTS. A “wagon” is the longer, family-friendly body style, and the CTS-V wagon is the enthusiast version of that.

Car

Cadillac CT5

"Well, in the sedan though, isn't that now like the CT5. [907.3s] CT5."

The Cadillac CT5 is a newer mid-size sedan from Cadillac. The speaker is basically saying the CT5 is what you look at now instead of the older CTS.

Term

horsepower

"No, the newest one, I think is close to 680 horsepower. [936.2s] Oh, that sounds fine."

Horsepower is a number that tells you how much power the engine can make. Higher horsepower often means the car can accelerate harder.

Car

Cadillac CTSV wagon

"And I think one of the problems with their brand was for me was they had the CTSV wagon. Mm-hmm. And I went, that's awesome."

This is a supercharged-performance Cadillac wagon. It’s the kind of car that tries to be both useful (wagon) and fast (the “V” performance version).

Concept

chasing the Germans

"Well, I mean, my whole thing about Cadillac, and I think I've said this before is, I think for too many years, they tried too hard at chasing the Germans."

This phrase means trying to compete with German brands that are known for performance and engineering. The host is saying Cadillac tried to copy that image instead of staying true to what they felt Cadillac should be.

Term

Nurburgring lap times

"At trying to be, at trying to get really good like Nurburgring lap times and, you know, trying to compete with like the M5 and all these cars."

The Nürburgring is a famous race track in Germany. When people talk about “lap times,” they mean how fast a car can go around that track, which is often used to compare how good different cars are.

Car

BMW M5

"At trying to be, at trying to get really good like Nurburgring lap times and, you know, trying to compete with like the M5 and all these cars."

The BMW M5 is a very fast BMW sedan. The host mentions it as an example of the kind of performance Cadillac was trying to match.

Car

Rivian R1S

"You're either in a Rivian R1S or you're in a Lyric."

The Rivian R1S is an all-electric SUV. People talk about it because it’s built for road trips and outdoor use, not just commuting.

Car

Tesla Model Y

"Or I guess a Model Y."

The Tesla Model Y is a popular electric SUV/crossover. The point is that it’s one of the most common EVs people see in daily life.

Car

G-Class Gwagon

"Or a G-Wagon EV. I actually saw those the other day."

A “G-Wagon EV” means an electric Mercedes G-Class. It’s a big, boxy luxury SUV, and the host is saying they don’t see it often.

Company

GM

"So the next story, this also involves GM, not quite as rosy for them."

GM is General Motors, the car company. In this story, they’re connected to a legal settlement about selling driver data.

Concept

data privacy

"We've talked about this in kind of a roundabout way before, but I don't know if you've ever really done like a whole episode on this on like data privacy and like the connected car and all of that."

Data privacy here means what information your car collects and who gets to use it. The hosts are discussing a case where driver data was sold, which is why privacy matters.

Concept

connected car

"We've talked about this in kind of a roundabout way before, but I don't know if you've ever really done like a whole episode on this on like data privacy and like the connected car and all of that."

A connected car is a car that can talk to the internet and other services. That can enable useful features, but it also means the car may collect or share data.

Concept

connected insurance

"they're basically offering this because I guess for a while they were trying to sell this like connected insurance."

Connected insurance means your insurance price can be based on how you drive, using data from your car. The hosts are saying some people felt the rules weren’t clearly explained.

Term

OBD2 dongle

"But the way it worked is there's like a OBD2 dongle, which kind of tracked your driving habits and then it would send it to the insurance company..."

An OBD2 dongle is a small device that plugs into your car and can read data about how you drive. Here, it’s used to collect driving info and share it with an insurer.

Term

EULA

"Basically, I think the terms were like buried in the eula that you sign when you buy the car."

An EULA is the legal agreement you click through when you buy or set up something. In this case, the claim is that the data-sharing terms were included there, even if most people don’t read it.

Term

OnStar

"GM reportedly made around $20 million selling data... Mind through on star, which is what I assume all of this is the problem."

OnStar is GM’s in-car connectivity service. In this segment, the hosts imply that the data being sold or shared may have come through OnStar.

Concept

Leno's law version two

"So I am disappointed with Leno's law version two. I was reading about that today for California where they're the the idea is 35 years and older. You no longer have emissions on a vehicle. But they've got it. And they've gutted it."

In California, there are rules about emissions testing for cars. The host is talking about “Leno’s law” and a possible updated version that would change which older cars are exempt from smog/emissions requirements.

Concept

smog exemption for pre-76 cars in California

"Yes, right now it is. If you have a pre-76 car, there is no smog for you in California."

California sometimes requires older cars to pass smog/emissions checks. The host says that for cars older than 1976, California doesn’t require smog testing.

Term

fuel injection

"I feel like such an old guy like the sky is falling like everybody when fuel injection came around. Oh, fuel injection is the end of the world."

Fuel injection is how modern cars put gas into the engine. Instead of a carburetor, it uses controlled valves/injectors to deliver the right amount of fuel.

Concept

EV road-repair funding via usage fees

"I would say like two or three years ago we talked about this is how they're going to pay for road repair with EVs. If they're not collecting gas taxes, how are they going to pay for it? I think that you could do mileage."

Because EVs don’t use gasoline, they may not pay the gas taxes that help maintain roads. The idea here is to charge EV drivers based on how much they drive, or through charging/utility billing.

Car

Toyota bZ4X

"Even if it's not self-driving, but it would have this technology, which they said they saw it with a BZ4X. So it makes me wonder, was this retrofitted or is this in all of the BZs already?"

The Toyota BZ4X is an electric Toyota SUV. Here, the hosts mention it because they’re talking about a parking/assist feature they saw working on one.

Concept

retrofit

"So it makes me wonder, was this retrofitted or is this in all of the BZs already? The guide Moby is basically a wireless tug and it would sit in front of the car..."

A retrofit means upgrading something after it’s already been made—like adding a new feature to a car that didn’t originally have it.

Term

wireless tug

"The guide Moby is basically a wireless tug and it would sit in front of the car and it would drive command the car behind it and it would follow the guide Moby. So is it a physical connection or is it just like a little?"

A wireless tug is like a robot tow helper that can move your car without a person hooking up a tow line. It communicates with the car so it knows what to do.

Term

steer-by-wire

"So with drive by wire, like steer by wired, break by wire, that you could do this and this could be, in theory, a software upgrade to vehicles to communicate with this electronic tug..."

Steer-by-wire means your steering is controlled by electronics. Instead of a direct mechanical connection, the car interprets your steering commands and acts on them electronically.

Term

brake-by-wire

"So with drive by wire, like steer by wired, break by wire, that you could do this and this could be, in theory, a software upgrade to vehicles to communicate with this electronic tug..."

Brake-by-wire means the brake response is controlled electronically. The car can then coordinate braking and movement with other systems more flexibly than with only mechanical controls.

Term

software upgrade

"...that you could do this and this could be, in theory, a software upgrade to vehicles to communicate with this electronic tug that would come and electronically pull your vehicle out."

A software upgrade is like updating the car’s computer so it can do new things. In this case, they’re talking about enabling a new “come get me” style function.

Term

drive-by-wire

"So with drive by wire, like steer by wired, break by wire, that you could do this and this could be, in theory, a software upgrade to vehicles to communicate with this electronic tug that would come and electronically pull your vehicle out."

Drive-by-wire means the car uses electronics to control things like steering and braking instead of purely mechanical connections. That kind of electronic control makes it easier for a system to command the car to move in a coordinated way.

Concept

pedestrian-first traffic lights

"But what they had the traffic lights for was they had cameras everywhere and the traffic lights were pedestrian first, cars second."

Pedestrian-first traffic lights give walkers priority at intersections. The light timing can change depending on whether people are detected crossing.

Concept

scooters

"They had e-bikes and scooters that went around."

Scooters are small two-wheeled vehicles you can ride for short trips. In cities, many are electric and used like a quick alternative to driving.

Concept

e-bikes

"They had e-bikes and scooters that went around."

E-bikes are regular bikes with a small electric motor to help you pedal. They’re common for short trips in cities.

Concept

robotaxis

"I guess if you've got all robotaxis everywhere, because you'd assume that that's the future, because they've also got these..."

Robotaxis are self-driving cars that can pick up passengers like a rideshare. Instead of a human driver, the car uses sensors and computers to drive.

Concept

driverless bus

"There's like a little driverless bus."

A driverless bus is a bus that drives itself. It still has to safely share the road with people and other traffic.

Concept

three-wheeled scooter

"The Swake was the scooter, which was a three-wheeled scooter."

A three-wheeled scooter has an extra wheel for stability. That can make it easier to balance, especially for new riders.

Concept

delivery robots

"They'd have delivery robots once again, like you said."

Delivery robots are small self-driving machines that bring packages. They have to avoid people and obstacles while they move around the city.

Concept

proof of concept

"Proof of concepts are necessary or not proof of concept. Development areas going crazy, doing something weird."

A proof of concept is a small test that tries to prove an idea is real and workable. It’s like a “can this actually work?” step before spending big money to roll it out everywhere.

Car

Dodge Viper

"This should be like in a building somewhere where they come up with a Dodge Viper. A lot of this requires like a clean sheet approach."

The Dodge Viper is a famous American sports car known for being loud, dramatic, and performance-focused. Here it’s mentioned as a stand-in for the kind of bold, exciting tech the city project should have highlighted.

Concept

clean sheet approach

"A lot of this requires like a clean sheet approach. The challenge is trying to adapt this to already developed urban infrastructure and figuring out how to make it work with that."

A clean sheet approach means starting over with a blank plan instead of working around what already exists. It’s often easier to design for EVs when you’re not forced to fit into older roads and systems.

Concept

green field development

"It's one thing to do like a green field development and you can make everything from scratch. But I mean, how often does that happen?"

Green field development means building in an area that’s mostly undeveloped. That makes it easier to plan roads, charging, and transit from the start instead of trying to modify an existing city.

Term

hydrogen powered bicycle

"And a hydrogen powered bicycle and a loom that said where they got their name from. It really was like a false start for it."

This is a bike concept that uses hydrogen instead of a battery to make electricity. The idea is to be zero-emissions at the bike, but it depends on having hydrogen available and the system being efficient.

Concept

false start

"And a hydrogen powered bicycle and a loom that said where they got their name from. It really was like a false start for it."

A “false start” means the project got going, but it didn’t really work out the way people hoped. It’s like starting with the wrong plan or ending up with a different outcome than expected.

Term

autonomous crash data

"So he doesn't want to report crash data. No car company wants to report autonomous crash data, but they're required by law to do this."

This means crash reports that are linked to when the car is driving itself. It helps people judge whether self-driving is safer than a person driving.

Term

NHTSA

"but they're required by law to do this. So in this article, Tesla has reported 15 crashes in Austin to NHTSA since August."

NHTSA is the U.S. government agency that looks into vehicle safety. Companies have to report certain crash information to them.

Concept

self driving

"So that is one crash every 57,000 miles, which is four times worse than self driving of a one crash out of 229,000 miles. So these are not only not as good as a actual driver."

“Self driving” means the car is doing the driving tasks on its own. The discussion is about whether it’s safer than a person in real-world conditions.

Concept

one crash out of 229,000 miles

"So that is one crash every 57,000 miles, which is four times worse than self driving of a one crash out of 229,000 miles."

They’re comparing how often crashes happen per miles driven. That makes it easier to compare different driving systems fairly.

Company

Waymo

"I think ultimately what it's going to come down to is economics. I think once Waymo or Neuro in conjunction with Uber and Lucid or whoever, once they get to a point where the robot taxi ride is, let's say,"

Waymo is a company that builds self-driving cars. The hosts are using it as an example of companies that might make robotaxi rides cheaper than human-driven ones.

Concept

robot taxi ride

"I think once Waymo or Neuro in conjunction with Uber and Lucid or whoever, once they get to a point where the robot taxi ride is, let's say, a half or a third of the price of a human driven vehicle,"

A robot taxi ride is a self-driving car that takes you somewhere without a human driver. The hosts are saying that if it gets cheap enough, people and society may accept it even if accidents happen.

Company

Uber

"I think once Waymo or Neuro in conjunction with Uber and Lucid or whoever, once they get to a point where the robot taxi ride is, let's say, a half or a third of the price of a human driven vehicle,"

Uber is a company that lets you request rides through an app. In this discussion, it’s mentioned as a partner that could help autonomous robotaxi services become cheaper.

Company

Lucid

"I think once Waymo or Neuro in conjunction with Uber and Lucid or whoever, once they get to a point where the robot taxi ride is, let's say, a half or a third of the price of a human driven vehicle,"

Lucid is an electric-car company. The hosts mention it because they think EV/robotaxi players together could make self-driving rides cheaper.

Car

Tesla Model X

"Model S, Model X dead. Yeah. Last models rolled off."

The Tesla Model X is an electric SUV. In this part of the show, they’re basically saying it’s reached the end of its production life, like the Model S.

Car

Model S

"Model S, Model X dead. Yeah. Last models rolled off. Fremont production line."

The Tesla Model S is an electric car that was a big deal because it showed EVs could be real, mainstream cars—not just prototypes. Here, the hosts are talking about its long run and that production has ended.

Company

Fremont production line

"Last models rolled off. Fremont production line. 14 years."

Fremont is where Tesla builds cars in California. When they say the “last models rolled off,” they mean the final finished cars came out of that factory.

Concept

proved a concept

"Ben Hallshausen, yeah. But it definitely proved a concept."

“Proved a concept” here is about demonstrating that a new idea—mass-market, high-performance electric vehicles—could work in the real world. The hosts credit the Model S era with showing EVs could be credible and influential beyond early adopters.

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