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AAH #790 - The Never Ending Learning Process of How The Industry Works

AAH #790 - The Never Ending Learning Process of How The Industry Works

Autoline After Hours May 08, 2026 66 min
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About this episode

From the Center for Automotive Research to the American Center for Mobility, the conversation maps how policy, China’s rapid progress, and real-world testing shape today’s priorities. They dig into EV adoption hurdles—charging, total cost of ownership, and shifting strategies toward hybrids—while debating autonomy tradeoffs and why headlines can mislead. The discussion also turns to program execution: “top hat” vs ground-up EV timelines, KPI discipline, and even what it takes for EV makers like Lucid to survive.

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American Center for Mobility

"Speaker 2: A American Center for Mobility. [158.6s] Speaker 5: American Center for Mobility. [160.5s] Speaker 7: And then we'll have our actually seminars, the traditional on stage dialogue at the Marriott and Eagle Crest, which has a really nice traversity feel."

They’re talking about a specific place called the American Center for Mobility where the event activities happen. It’s where people can see and try vehicles and related technology.

Car

Byd Shark 6

"...e Jammisu seven, the byd sgull will also have the Shark on display GM supercrews, So really looking at th..."

The BYD Shark 6 is a BYD vehicle that’s being talked about as part of a lineup or display. The episode mentions the “Shark” branding, suggesting it’s a named model in their range. The conversation here is mainly about what’s being shown.

Brand

GM

"Over at ACP will have an opportunity to drive in some China vehicles, the Jammisu seven, the byd sgull will also have the Shark on display GM supercrews, So really looking at these technologies."

GM is a big car company in the U.S. They’re mentioned because the event will show GM-related vehicles or tech for attendees to see.

Concept

hands-on driving

"I've been in the business over thirty years and I've never been in a Chinese vehicle on the road, so this will be I think a very unique experience to have some hands on driving."

They mean people will actually drive the cars, not just look at them. The point is to learn what the cars are like in real use.

Concept

autonomous technology development

"It's important to point out that American Center for Mobility was really developed for autonomous technology development. And you know, whether you want to bombard the car with electro magnetic interference or you know, simulate traffic or pedestrian crossings or urban driving, and it's all there at that facility."

It means testing cars that can drive themselves or help the driver without constant human input. The goal is to see if the car can notice what’s happening around it and respond safely.

Concept

simulate traffic or pedestrian crossings

"whether you want to bombard the car with electro magnetic interference or you know, simulate traffic or pedestrian crossings or urban driving, and it's all there at that facility."

Instead of trying every risky situation in real life, teams recreate traffic and crosswalk scenarios in a controlled way. That lets them see if the car would notice people and react appropriately.

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electro magnetic interference

"whether you want to bombard the car with electro magnetic interference or you know, simulate traffic or pedestrian crossings or urban driving, and it's all there at that facility."

Electromagnetic interference is like electronic “static” that can mess with a car’s electronics. Researchers test it to make sure the car’s sensors and computers still work reliably.

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urban driving

"simulate traffic or pedestrian crossings or urban driving, and it's all there at that facility."

Urban driving is a dense, complex environment with frequent interactions—crosswalks, pedestrians, cyclists, stop-and-go traffic, and unpredictable behavior. Autonomous testing in urban driving focuses on how well the system handles those constant changes and edge cases.

Concept

live demonstration

"They're working with a company to give warnings and this will be live demonstration there where you can see you know, the vehicles driving. It's far behind and up ahead as a worker on the side of a road with some cones, and you can see how the vehicle technology identifies that and puts a warning far in advance so the car could begin to slow down."

A live demo means the car is actively running the technology while people watch. Here, it’s meant to show the car can detect a hazard and warn the driver and slow down in time.

Term

warnings

"They're working with a company to give warnings and this will be live demonstration there where you can see you know, the vehicles driving."

In advanced driver assistance and autonomous systems, “warnings” are alerts generated when the vehicle detects a potential hazard. They’re designed to give the driver (or system) early notice so the car can react—often by preparing braking or reducing speed.

Concept

trade policy

"Think about all of the. Trade policy over the past year, Think about just the ev transition and the regulations around greenhouse gas."

Trade policy refers to government rules that affect cross-border commerce, like tariffs and import/export restrictions. For automakers and suppliers, it can change costs, supply chains, and which technologies or components are economically viable.

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greenhouse gas

"Think about just the ev transition and the regulations around greenhouse gas."

Greenhouse gases are emissions that trap heat in the atmosphere, and governments regulate them to reduce climate impact. In automotive, greenhouse-gas regulations influence how automakers design powertrains, improve efficiency, and accelerate electrification.

Term

ev transition

"Think about all of the. Trade policy over the past year, Think about just the ev transition and the regulations around greenhouse gas."

The EV transition is the industry shift from internal-combustion vehicles to electric vehicles. It drives changes in product planning, manufacturing, charging infrastructure needs, and compliance with emissions-related regulations.

Concept

China surge

"Right They're everywhere, and there's so many different elements of it that I'm calling the China surge and everything that you think of the letters because most of the most of the variables that I'm going to talk about, I'll start with the letter S there's a China surge."

“China surge” means China is moving faster in car technology and new products. The hosts use it to describe how that speed is changing the rest of the industry.

Car

Jeep Wrangler

"the jeep, Wrangler and Gladiator. How would you, guys measure [807.1s] the length that it took to do a program and how do you think the Chinese are doing it?"

The Jeep Wrangler is a popular Jeep model built for off-road use. Here it’s just mentioned while they talk about how long it takes to develop new vehicles.

Car

Jeep Gladiator

"the jeep, Wrangler and Gladiator. How would you, guys measure [807.1s] the length that it took to do a program and how do you think the Chinese are doing it?"

The Jeep Gladiator is Jeep’s truck model. In this part of the show, they mention it while discussing how long vehicle development programs take.

Term

top hat

"A top hat to a top hat? What is a [830.9s] top hat? [831.4s] Speaker 7: Top hat means you've already got your whole you know frame or your skateboard."

“Top hat” is an industry shorthand for doing a mostly-updated vehicle using an existing foundation. The idea is you’re not starting from zero—so the timeline can be shorter than a brand-new design.

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propulsion systems

"If it's an electric vehicle and [838.4s] you're just putting a new top hat on it, but the way that that propulsion system runs, the electronics are already developed."

A propulsion system is the set of parts that actually makes the car move. For EVs, that includes the electric motor and the electronics that control it.

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electrical architecture

"But a ground up vehicle where you're developing a new electrical architecture, you're developing new structure, you're developing new propulsion systems. [862.3s] Speaker 5: That's a very."

Electrical architecture is basically how the car’s electrical “wiring and systems plan” is designed. If you have to create that plan from scratch, it takes longer than reusing an existing one.

Concept

ground up vehicle

"But a ground up vehicle where you're developing a new electrical architecture, you're developing new structure, you're developing new propulsion systems. [862.3s] Speaker 5: That's a very."

“Ground up” means building the vehicle from scratch instead of modifying an existing design. If you’re creating the main systems new, it usually takes more time.

Concept

concept phase

"But one thing [874.6s] I can say, and we're breaking that down. You know, [876.9s] we're breaking down all the different pieces because there are some real advantages that the Chinese have and some of it's in that concept phase."

The concept phase is the early stage of product development where requirements, feasibility, and major decisions are formed before engineering and production ramp up. The speaker suggests some advantages in the Chinese approach happen during this phase, affecting overall program speed.

Term

KPIs

"Now we've made all those decisions on [896.3s] what our KPIs are going to be and what the features are going to be, and then just get started and execute."

KPIs are the specific goals a project team sets—like what they want to achieve and how they’ll measure it. They’re talking about locking those goals in before development really starts.

Term

operating patterns

"[996.1s] Okay, what are the ramifications, what can we compress, what kind of different operating patterns can we do to be able to deliver that more quickly. The goal is always [1008.0s] to stay on time and within budget and meet those quality deliverables."

In product development, “operating patterns” refers to how a program is run—like how teams schedule work, sequence tasks, and manage parallel activities. When timelines get threatened, leadership may change these patterns to compress the schedule while still meeting quality targets.

Concept

compress the schedule

"[996.1s] Okay, what are the ramifications, what can we compress, what kind of different operating patterns can we do to be able to deliver that more quickly. The goal is always [1008.0s] to stay on time and within budget and meet those quality deliverables."

It means speeding up the timeline to get a car program done sooner. That can be tough because you still have to test and make sure the vehicle meets quality targets.

Term

quality deliverables

"[1008.0s] to stay on time and within budget and meet those quality deliverables. [1012.4s] Speaker 5: So there's certain things you never."

These are the concrete results the team has to prove to meet standards. Think of them as checkpoints that show the car is good enough to launch.

Term

trade barriers

"[1023.4s] I think that kind of like piggybacks with something I'm kind of wondering I'd like to hear your thoughts is tariffs, you know, trade barriers aside. If you know Chinese car [1033.5s] companies were allowed to sell their vehicles here, do you think they'd be a success based on their merits?"

Trade barriers are rules that can make it harder to bring products from other countries. For cars, that can mean higher costs or fewer options for buyers.

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tariffs

"[1023.4s] I think that kind of like piggybacks with something I'm kind of wondering I'd like to hear your thoughts is tariffs, you know, trade barriers aside. If you know Chinese car [1033.5s] companies were allowed to sell their vehicles here, do you think they'd be a success based on their merits?"

Tariffs are extra taxes on imported products. If a country adds tariffs to imported cars, those cars can cost more, which affects sales.

Company

Cardo's

"[1163.5s] Speaker 4: So one of the things I know that Cardo's research on is the market at large. And you know recently [1170.6s] EV's have been an area of focus, and you and your previous existence were focused also on EV's."

They mention “Cardo’s” as the group that did some market research. The discussion is about what that research says about the auto industry.

Term

EVs

"[1163.5s] Speaker 4: So one of the things I know that Cardo's research on is the market at large. And you know recently [1170.6s] EV's have been an area of focus, and you and your previous existence were focused also on EV's. What's your [1179.5s] sense of what's going on?"

EVs are electric cars that run on electricity stored in a battery. They don’t rely on gasoline the way most cars do.

Term

plug and hybrids

"all regulation, all policy pointed towards automakers needing to offer electric vehicles plug and hybrids hybrid technology to meet those regulations"

A plug-in hybrid is a car that uses both gas and electricity. You can charge it by plugging it in, but it can also run on gas when needed.

Term

zero emission mandates

"There were zero emission mandates in certain states."

These are rules that require certain vehicles to produce no exhaust pollution. The episode is saying that these rules influenced what car makers were forced to sell.

Term

multipropulsion strategy

"most companies are looking at a multipropulsion strategy, which is very expensive, but they almost need to offer full internal combustion engine."

This is when a car company sells different kinds of powertrains, like gas, hybrid, and electric. The goal is to keep up with what buyers want and what rules require.

Term

hybrid technology

"most companies are looking at a multipropulsion strategy... Hybrid technology very popular right now"

A hybrid car uses two power sources, usually gas and electricity. The idea is to get better fuel economy than a regular gas car, without needing to rely entirely on charging.

Term

BEVZ

"I hope it doesn't take twenty years for the politicization of BEVZ to go away."

A BEV is a fully electric car that runs on a battery. The episode is talking about whether people’s negative opinions about EVs will eventually go away.

Term

electric mode

"I when my vehicle I have a p haven when it's in electric mode, I love it. I mean the power, the quietness and I'm not having to purchase gas and it's charged every morning when I wake up."

Electric mode is when the car is driving using electricity instead of gas. It usually depends on how much battery charge you have.

Term

plug it in

"p have is something that could be really good for a lot of people, but so many people don't understand that you have to plug it in for like thirty miles or sixty miles."

“Plug it in” means charging the car using a charger, like at home or at a public station. How much you can drive on electricity depends on how much charge you put in.

Term

price of gas

"As we get more adoption, that should start to happen naturally also. And then the price of gas."

Gas price affects how expensive it is to drive a gas car. For electric cars, you usually think about electricity cost instead.

Company

JD Power

"It's so funny because back when I was at JD Power, we were trying to communicate the customer just on that topic total cost of ownership."

JD Power is a company that studies cars and how people experience them. Here, the speaker mentions they were trying to help customers understand the real cost of owning a vehicle.

Term

total cost of ownership

"It's so funny because back when I was at JD Power, we were trying to communicate the customer just on that topic total cost of ownership."

Total cost of ownership is the full cost of having a car, not just what you pay to buy it. It includes things like what it costs to power the car and other ongoing costs.

Term

price of electricity

"It's not just the price of gas, it's the price of electricity. It's how much it, you know, costs you to operate that vehicle."

Electric cars cost money to charge, and that cost depends on your electricity rate. Charging at home versus public chargers can change the total cost.

Term

electric vehicle

"savings in an electric vehicle. And it was a very difficult. It was difficult to really explain it to the consumer because it's like I just I just care about my monthly payment and what. I pay at the pump."

An electric vehicle is a car that runs on electricity stored in a battery. Instead of buying gas, you recharge it, so your cost depends on electricity prices.

Term

electrified

"Toyota sells more than fifty other vehicles are electrified, you know, because now they do have some electric vehicles"

“Electrified” means the car uses electricity in some way. That can include full EVs, but it can also include hybrids that still use gas.

Concept

ev hype cycle

"Do you think we're at the bottom of the evy hype cycle now? And how high could up be?"

“Hype cycle” here means people get excited about EVs, then interest can cool down, and later it can rise again. It’s basically describing how enthusiasm and buying behavior change over time.

Term

forecast

"we do look at a forecast, along with a lot of other folks look at forecasting, and we're constantly comparing our forecast to others."

A forecast is a prediction of what’s likely to happen later. Here, they’re talking about predicting how many EVs will be sold or used over time.

Term

faster charging

"Speaker 2: ...much lower cost, much better range, much faster charging, and if gas prices state high..."

Faster charging means the electric car can recharge more quickly. That matters because it reduces how long you have to wait at a charger.

Term

range

"Speaker 2: ...some good stuff coming in the pipeline. That's much lower cost, much better range, much faster charging..."

Range is how many miles an electric car can go before it needs charging. More range usually makes an EV easier to live with.

Term

EV

"Speaker 2: ...there's a couple of million car buyers who are on the fence. [1748.4s] Speaker 3: They're very interested in an ev."

EV means electric vehicle. It’s a car that runs mainly on electricity from a battery, not gas. They’re discussing what would make more people want to buy one.

Term

charging stations

"Speaker 3: They're very interested in an ev. [1750.2s] Speaker 2: They want to see more charging stations, they want to see more of their neighbors driving up."

Charging stations are places where you plug in an electric car to recharge it. If there aren’t enough convenient stations, people worry they won’t be able to charge when they need to.

Term

residual basis

"Speaker 2: ...Sales have used evs, so I mean these things have taking a bath for on a residual basis, right?"

Residual value is what a car is expected to be worth later. Saying EVs “took a bath” on residual value means they’ve been dropping in resale/lease value more than people expected.

Brand

Tesla

"Wondering what they hell have. But look, you know, Tesla dominates the segment. Tesla has extremely good loyalty. It's not as good as but it's still very good."

Tesla is a company that makes electric cars. The hosts are saying that Tesla customers tend to stick with the brand, so Tesla sets the standard for how well an EV brand can keep customers over time.

Concept

economies of scale

"And if you can get to those economies of scale like Tesla has where they've been able to lower prices. Yeah, find some more affordable evs."

Economies of scale means making a lot of cars (or parts) so the cost per car goes down. The idea here is that lower costs can lead to lower prices for EVs.

Term

battery

"the data shows that that battery is going to likely outlast the car, and then we got to find another use for it."

In an electric car, the battery is the big power source that stores electricity. The hosts are saying the battery may last longer than the rest of the car, which makes EVs feel less risky to buy.

Brand

Bridgestone

"Shout out to our great sponsor, Bridgestone. Knowing that a little rain won't slow down your day... Bridgestone Toronto by attract Tires Confident control in wet conditions?"

Bridgestone makes tires. The sponsor is saying their tires help you stay in control even when the road is wet.

Car

Tesla roadster

"But it was fast? Is that when Elon shot that Tesla roadster into space?"

The Tesla Roadster is an electric sports car. It’s mentioned here because it was also used in a well-known space-launch stunt.

Car

Tesla Model

"...involving a semi autonomous driving system of the Tesla model S right, that slammed into the semi truck. Speake..."

The Tesla Model Y is an all-electric SUV. It can include features that help with driving tasks, like staying in lanes or adjusting speed. The podcast mentions it because there was a crash involving a semi truck while using a semi-autonomous driving system.

Car

Tesla Semi

"...peaker 4: The first recorded US death involving a semi autonomous driving system of the Tesla model S ri..."

The Tesla Semi is a large electric truck used for hauling goods. It’s designed for long-distance driving. In this episode, it’s mentioned as part of a discussion about driver-assistance technology and safety.

Car

Tesla Model S

"The first recorded US death involving a semi autonomous driving system of the Tesla model S right, that slammed into the semi truck."

The Tesla Model S is an electric car. Here it’s mentioned because a crash happened while the car was using semi-autonomous driving features.

Term

semi autonomous driving system

"The first recorded US death involving a semi autonomous driving system of the Tesla model S right, that slammed into the semi truck."

“Semi-autonomous” means the car can help with driving, but it’s not fully driving by itself. The driver is still supposed to watch and be ready to take over.

Term

AV

"But now it's just like, oh, there was this accident with this autonomous vehicle. Horror among horrors, right, ... But if it's in an avy, it's going to be headlines around the world."

AV stands for autonomous vehicle—cars that use sensors and software to drive with little or no human input. In the episode, AVs are contrasted with human-driven crashes to explain why AV incidents get more attention.

Term

Blue Cruise

"I was in a Lincoln Navigator last week and just the Blue Cruise just kind of like like flashed that little Blue Cruise thing and was like, sure, I'll hit the button and it worked pretty well."

BlueCruise is a system that helps the car drive on some highways. It can take over steering and speed control, but only in specific situations and with the driver still being monitored.

Car

Lincoln Navigator

"I was in a Lincoln Navigator last week and just the Blue Cruise just kind of like like flashed that little Blue Cruise thing and was like, sure, I'll hit the button and it worked pretty well."

The Lincoln Navigator is a large luxury SUV. The point here is that it has a driver-assist feature (BlueCruise) that can help on certain roads.

Term

Super Cruise

"Super Cruise is pretty good too. Tesla always seems to be the one that's in the headlines, though, you know, for obvious reasons."

Super Cruise is GM’s feature that can help the car drive itself on certain highways. It’s not meant for every road situation, and the driver still has to stay alert.

Term

full autonomous vehicles

"full autonomous vehicles, not the hands free stuff. And there's [2124.0s] been some accidents with Blue crews and Super crews, but it's still you know, you have to look at the accident rate and it still looks pretty good."

This means the car can do the driving by itself for the whole trip. It’s not just a feature that helps you—it’s meant to replace the driver’s job.

Term

accident rate

"been some accidents with Blue crews and Super crews, but it's still you know, you have to look at the accident rate and it still looks pretty good."

It’s basically how often accidents happen, adjusted for how much driving is happening. So it’s a fairer comparison than just counting accidents.

Concept

decision as a society

"we have a decision as a society. Are we going [2140.8s] to wait until autonomous technology is absolutely bulletproof perfect, or are we going to say, look, we're going to accept it as it is because we can save twenty thirty thousand lives a year."

They’re talking about whether society should allow a technology that isn’t perfect yet, because it could still save more lives than today’s human driving.

Car

Subaru Outback

"I was in the Super Outback wilderness. Maybe you guys [2216.5s] were in the Outback recently. This is like the new [2218.7s] generation and it's moved away from station wagon status to more like a real mid size suv as they call it."

The Subaru Outback is Subaru’s rugged, all-wheel-drive family vehicle. Here they’re talking about the newer generation and the Wilderness version, which is meant to look and feel more off-road capable.

Car

Hyundai Santa Fe

"I think it reminded me a [2238.2s] lot of the Hyundai Santa Fe, where they took like a pretty bland vehicle and went like boxy and almost like a four person's land rover."

The Hyundai Santa Fe is a midsize SUV. They’re comparing its styling change to what they think Subaru did with the Outback’s newer look.

Car

Honda Prelude

"So you were in the Honda prelude recently, as as was I. [2257.0s]"

The Honda Prelude is a Honda model name that’s known for being more sporty than a typical family car. In this segment, it’s just another car they’ve driven recently.

Term

steering settings

"One of the things that they have and they kind of greatly encouraged me to try, is you can do different speedding settings normal sport, GT for steering, for ride, for engine noise."

Some cars let you change how the steering feels. In one mode it may feel more responsive, and in another it may feel calmer or heavier.

Term

engine noise

"you can do different speedding settings normal sport, GT for steering, for ride, for engine noise."

Some cars can change how loud the engine sounds inside the cabin. Even if the engine doesn’t change much, the car may add or adjust sound to match the driving mode.

Car

Toyota Prius

"...e bit of nine to eleven. Maybe it's got sort of a Prius nose kind of sort of to it, and it's well done. B..."

The Toyota Prius is a car that uses both a gas engine and an electric motor. It’s known for getting good gas mileage compared with many regular cars. In the episode, it’s mentioned because its front design is distinctive.

Term

throttle response

"I just don't think the throttle response is. ... Well, I'm not saying they shouldn't be, but like when you start the engine, it's already revving at at a higher level and you're driving at low speeds. The throttle input doesn't match what the engine's doing."

Throttle response is how fast the car reacts when you press the gas. If the engine and electric system aren’t working together in the way you expect—especially at low speeds—it can feel delayed or “off.”

Term

S plus button

"So did you push the S plus button? ... I did? Yeah, No, S plus and and that that gives you a nice boost. It was nice for getting on the freeway."

That “S+” button is a driving mode that makes the car act more aggressively. It usually makes the car respond quicker to the gas and feel more eager when you accelerate.

Car

Honda S2000

"It's not quite that spirit of Honda that I've experienced in other cars, Like, I mean, the S two thousand, I had it in spades."

The Honda S2000 is a small sporty roadster known for revving high and feeling very responsive. They’re using it as a benchmark for how “alive” the throttle and driving feel should be.

Term

power and the last one was like twenty two pounds per

"And speaking of the performance and the power, so I looked and I compared the powder weight ratio of this one versus the last generation. So this one is about sixteen pounds per horse. Power and the last one was like twenty two pounds per."

That “pounds per” number is a simple way to compare how heavy a car is versus how much power it has. A lower number usually means the car should feel quicker because it’s not as heavy for its power.

Term

pounds per horse power

"Horse Kitty, Wow, yeah, because twenty two pounds that's a slug even sixteen pounds per horse power is you know for a sports cars sort of. ... Yeah, you go look in the powder weight thing when you get down to around twelve pounds per horse power."

It’s a simple comparison of how heavy a car is versus how much power it has. If the car has fewer pounds per horsepower, it usually feels quicker.

Car

Lucid Gravity

"Lucid EV manufacturer that it's looking at the price for the starting price for the Gravity, which was going to be its low cost model, is seventy nine to nine. ... Eighty grand the low cost model, And so they."

The Lucid Gravity is Lucid’s electric SUV. They’re discussing what it’s supposed to cost and how that affects sales.

Term

guidance

"Pulled their guidance son with they're going to be producing this coming Cortant. ... I think he just said, hey, Wall Street, we're yanking our guidance."

“Guidance” is the company’s prediction for the future, like how well it expects to do. If they yank it, they’re admitting the earlier forecast was wrong and updating it.

Concept

inventory

"They've they've way over built, they have all these cars in inventory. They've got a second plant that they're bringing up in Saudi Arabia even though they can't fill the plant that they've got here."

Inventory is the stock of cars that are already made but not sold yet. If too many cars sit unsold, it can hurt the company’s finances.

Company

Saudi Arabia

"They've they've way over built, they have all these cars in inventory. They've got a second plant that they're bringing up in Saudi Arabia even though they can't fill the plant that they've got here."

They’re talking about building a factory in Saudi Arabia. The issue is that the company doesn’t have enough sales to keep all plants busy.

Concept

direct sales

"I know it's direct sales, but you know what I mean. And I think he just said, hey, Wall Street, we're yanking our guidance."

Direct sales means the company sells the car to you without using regular car dealerships. That can affect how pricing and inventory are handled.

Company

BMW

"And plus, look at all the other automakers that have reported this week. You know BMW, Daimler truck was there."

BMW is brought up as an example of another automaker reporting bad or challenging news. It’s used to show this isn’t unique to Lucid.

Company

Daimler truck

"You know BMW, Daimler truck was there. ... Lucid Boy, it was a bloodbath there's red ink all over the place."

Daimler Truck is mentioned as another company dealing with tough financial news. It’s used to support the idea that the industry is struggling broadly.

Term

red ink

"Lucid Boy, it was a bloodbath there's red ink all over the place."

“Red ink” means the company is losing money. It’s a common way to describe financial trouble.

Car

Hyundai Sonata

"Lucid Air versus like a Hyundai Sonata, which has a very similar light strip in the hood, I mean you tell me from it like thirty yards which is which?"

The Hyundai Sonata is a common, everyday sedan model. They’re using it as a comparison to show that some design details—like front lighting—can look similar across different brands.

Car

Lucid Air

"Lucid Air versus like a Hyundai Sonata, which has a very similar light strip in the hood, I mean you tell me from it like thirty yards which is which?"

Lucid Air is an all-electric sedan from the brand Lucid. The hosts are talking about how its front lighting design can look similar to other cars, even from far away.

Concept

net profitable

"But what I'm getting at is when Tesla's finances changed from losing money to being net profitable is when they started selling fifty thousand cars a quarter i e. Two hundred thousand a year"

“Net profitable” means the business is actually making money overall, after paying all its costs. The hosts are using it to explain when EV companies stop losing money and start earning it.

Brand

Rivian

"Whereas with Rivian people kind of I think like this off road adjacent lifestyle vibe. Tesla of course became you know,"

Rivian is an electric-vehicle company. They’re known for vehicles that feel built for outdoor and off-road use, and the hosts are comparing that image to other EV brands.

Brand

Fisker

"So they mean these smart people at our own driving Fiskers right now are said that they... And Fisker is sort of like that's another good analogy with Lucids."

Fisker is another electric-car company. The hosts are comparing Lucid’s situation to Fisker’s—basically, the challenge of growing enough to make money.

Company

Saudi Investment Fund

"Well, the real question is how... How much stick to witness does the Saudi Investment Fund have, Because the Saudi Investment Fund is what's keeping Lucid alive right now."

The Saudi Investment Fund is a major investor. The hosts are saying Lucid depends on that money to keep operating, so if the funding changes, Lucid could struggle fast.

Topic

Live Golf

"And I'm sure you guys are aware the l IV Live Golf odd series that was all Saudi money... I was just going to bring up live golf too, because I think golf is probably something different... but it's maybe not that much different if they're losing perhaps even more money like a golf league."

Live Golf is a sports league that got Saudi money. The hosts use it to illustrate how investors might decide to stop funding something if it keeps losing money.

Concept

ROI

"I was just going to bring up live golf too, because I think golf is probably something different, probably how like the PIF calculates the ROI here, Like I think a car company is something different, but it's maybe not that much different if they're losing perhaps even more money like a golf league."

ROI means “how much you get back” compared to what you spent. The hosts are wondering how investors would judge whether funding a car company is worth it compared to funding a sports league.

Term

aluminum

"So we've mentioned this, there occasions that it just isn't gasoline that it affects. It affects materials like aluminum. And you know, you're talking about people that Forard reported recently and apparently Aluminus is having a big effect on their profitability."

Aluminum is a metal used in cars to help keep weight down. If aluminum gets more expensive, it can hurt a company’s profits.

Car

Volkswagen Jetta

"...not going to pay ten thousand dollars more for my Jetta or something. So it could be a rough second quart..."

The Volkswagen Jetta is a regular four-door sedan meant for daily driving. People talk about it when discussing cost—like whether it’s worth paying more or less for one. In this episode, it’s mentioned as part of a pricing comparison.

Term

V eight engines

"So then I see that there was an announcement made that that Formula one is switching from the six cylinder hybrids to V eight engines in twenty thirty one."

This refers to a proposed change in Formula 1 engine configuration from the current V6 to a V8. In F1, engine “configuration” matters because it affects packaging, sound/character, and how the hybrid system integrates with the combustion engine.

Topic

Formula one engine regulation direction (V8 vs V6 hybrids)

"So then I see that there was an announcement made that that Formula one is switching from the six cylinder hybrids to V eight engines in twenty thirty one... I could see Honda pull out of Formula one if it does go back to naturally aspirated VIA."

They’re debating what Formula 1’s next engine rules might be—V8s instead of the current hybrid V6s—and how that could affect who stays in the sport.

Term

six cylinder hybrids

"So then I see that there was an announcement made that that Formula one is switching from the six cylinder hybrids to V eight engines in twenty thirty one."

“Hybrid” in F1 means the car uses both fuel and electricity. The “six cylinder” part means the fuel engine is a V6, and the electric system helps add power and recover energy.

Term

minor electrification

"Well, look, because these V eights, by the way, will only be minor electrification."

It sounds like they’re saying the car would still have some electricity, but not as much as the current hybrid setup. That could mean less electric boost and less energy being recovered.

Term

carbon free fuel

"I would love to see them develop this carbon free fuel which they're actually using right now."

They’re talking about fuel that’s intended to produce little or no carbon emissions. The goal is to make racing cleaner without changing the basic idea of using fuel to make power.

Term

naturally aspirated

"I could see Honda pull out of Formula one if it does go back to naturally aspirated VIA."

Naturally aspirated engines don’t use a turbo or blower to force air in. The engine relies on its own design and RPM to pull in air and make power.

Term

15,000 rpm engines

"We want it, you know, we want to go back to fifteen thousand rpm engines, sixteen rpm engines."

RPM is how fast the engine is spinning. Racing engines often run at very high RPM because that’s where they’re designed to make power.

Term

hybrid system

"So so what about all the money that Ketillac has invested so far in the I believe it is the mg r K hybrid system."

A hybrid system uses both a fuel engine and an electric system. It can capture energy when slowing down and then use that electricity to help the car accelerate.

Brand

Ketillac

"So so what about all the money that Ketillac has invested so far in the I believe it is the mg r K hybrid system."

“Ketillac” sounds like Cadillac. The point is that a big automaker is investing money into racing hybrid technology.

Brand

Mercedes Benz

"Well, Gary, you mentioned Mercedes Benz and you know how they're doing better than Cadillac."

Mercedes-Benz is a well-known luxury car brand. The hosts bring it up to compare how different car companies are doing in the market.

Brand

Cadillac

"Well, Gary, you mentioned Mercedes Benz and you know how they're doing better than Cadillac."

Cadillac is a luxury car brand. They mention it as the company Mercedes-Benz is doing better than.

Term

manual transmission

"Can you get a manual transmission in the prelude? I don't think so."

A manual transmission is a car where you choose the gears yourself using a clutch pedal and a stick shift. The hosts are checking whether that option exists for the car they’re talking about.

Term

simulated shifts

"It is simulated shifts, right, Yeah."

Simulated shifts are when an automatic car pretends to shift like a manual. You might be able to “command” shifts, but the car is still using an automatic transmission underneath.

Term

manual automatic

"I mean I can understand certify two different packages, you know, a manual automatic, But."

“Manual automatic” here is shorthand for the idea that a car can be offered in different driveline control styles—either a true manual transmission or an automatic transmission. The hosts are debating how those packages are offered and what options exist for a given model.

Term

emissions

"As a car company, you got if they say here's the emissions and uh efficiency that you have to hit, you got to hit it."

Emissions are the harmful stuff a car releases into the air. Governments set limits, and car makers have to build cars that stay under those limits.

Term

efficiency

"As a car company, you got if they say here's the emissions and uh efficiency that you have to hit, you got to hit it."

Here, efficiency means how much fuel a car uses to go a certain distance. If rules require better efficiency, car makers have to change how the car is built and tuned.

Term

compliance cars

"Are they're going to shut you down? You make compliance cars and call it good."

A “compliance car” is basically built to meet legal requirements. Sometimes it’s not made to be the most exciting car—just good enough to pass the rules.

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