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Andrew Wheatley on Hyundai's troubled start to 2026

Andrew Wheatley on Hyundai's troubled start to 2026

SPIN, The Rally Pod May 04, 2026 41 min
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Andrew Wheatley gives a candid update on Hyundai’s rocky start to 2026, from the Croatia disappointment to the huge Safari Rally setback, while stressing that the car still has real pace. He explains the tradeoff between outright speed and a very narrow operating window, and how testing, setup work, and the third car are helping steady the team. The conversation also looks ahead to Portugal, Hyundai’s longer-term planning, and the Rally2 program’s role in development.

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Company

Hyundai

"If we're honest, it's not been the start to the season that anybody at Hyundai would have wanted. Adrián Formos, the team's best-placed driver in the championship..."

Hyundai is the company running the rally program being talked about. Their performance in the championship depends on how well the whole team—drivers and engineers—sets up and runs the cars.

Topic

Croatia

"...particularly after the, you know, we had a little bit of disappointment in Croatia. And to be honest, in Safari, we could have been another step on the podium."

Croatia refers to a specific rally event in the season calendar. The hosts use it as a reference point for disappointment and how the team’s momentum (or lack of it) has carried into later rounds.

Topic

Safari

"And to be honest, in Safari, we could have been another step on the podium. There's been some positives..."

Safari is another rally race on the season schedule. The hosts are saying Hyundai might have done better there than their actual results.

Term

sliding wide

"I mean, I think the whole world was pretty stunned to see Thierry sliding wide on that right-hander. Tell us, what was it like..."

“Sliding wide” means the car didn’t grip the road the way it should in a turn, so it drifted too far toward the outside. It’s usually a sign that the driver or car setup didn’t match the conditions at that corner.

Term

right-hander

"...Thierry sliding wide on that right-hander. Tell us, what was it like and I hate to take you back..."

A “right-hander” is just a right-turn corner. Drivers describe it like this because the car can behave differently in a right turn than in a left turn, especially on loose or slippery surfaces.

Topic

command centre

"Tell us, what was it like and I hate to take you back to that moment, but in the command centre, in amongst all of the engineers and technicians..."

The command centre is the team’s control room during the rally. Engineers watch what’s happening and help guide decisions so the driver can keep improving.

Concept

minute in hand

"...the rally wasn't over at that point, even though we thought with a minute in hand, it would be, it would be, you know, potentially a good result. It wasn't to be..."

“A minute in hand” means they were ahead by about a minute at that stage of the rally. It sounds safe, but the result can still change if things don’t go to plan afterward.

Concept

testing team

"...both by the event team, but also behind the scenes with the testing team who are doing remarkable number of days, a remarkable number of hours, just to keep pushing and keep finding every opportunity to be as competitive as possible as we go through the season."

Rally teams often have people whose job is to test the car between races. They try different setups and learn from data so the car is better prepared for the next event.

Concept

100% reliable

"...we had another weekend in Canaries last weekend, which was in terms of the team performance positive, you know, the car was 100% reliable. But in terms of the car performance, it was obviously disappointing."

Reliability means the car doesn’t break and can complete the race. You can still be disappointed if the car is finishing but not going fast enough.

Concept

car performance

"...the car was 100% reliable. But in terms of the car performance, it was obviously disappointing."

Car performance is basically how fast the car is and how well it handles the stages. Even if it doesn’t break, it can still be disappointing if it isn’t quick or consistent.

Term

reliability

"The work that's being done on the reliability behind the scenes to make sure that we have every part life to every part prepared from the factory, as well as we possibly can, working through the life in schedules to make sure everything is done correctly."

Reliability just means the car keeps working properly during the rally. The team tries to prevent breakdowns so the driver can focus on driving instead of fixing problems.

Term

road conditions

"...making sure we cover all the opportunities, whether it's weather, whether it's meteor, whether it's road conditions, whether it's preparation for the recce is done absolutely to the highest possible standards."

Road conditions are how the surface feels on the day—like whether it’s dusty, slippery, or loose. That changes how the car grips and how fast the driver can safely go.

Term

recce

"...whether it's preparation for the recce is done absolutely to the highest possible standards. We just need a little bit of good fortune in order to be able to convert that hard work into results."

Recce is the team’s practice run where they study the route and write down notes. Those notes help the driver remember what’s coming so they can drive quickly during the actual rally.

Term

pace notes

"...whether it's preparation for the recce is done absolutely to the highest possible standards. We just need a little bit of good fortune in order to be able to convert that hard work into results."

Pace notes are the written instructions from recce that describe the road ahead in a rally-ready format. They typically include turn severity, distance markers, and caution information so the driver can match speed to grip and visibility.

Concept

convert that hard work into results

"We just need a little bit of good fortune in order to be able to convert that hard work into results. Yeah. Yeah. Just to focus specifically on Thierry, it has been a particularly difficult start to the year."

It means the team did a lot of preparation, but the rally still has unpredictable moments. They’re hoping the work pays off in real performance and points.

Term

tyre

"...But like you say, you know, the kind of package was hamstrung really by the way the car works with the tyre and everything. But what are your feelings about Thierry?"

In rallying, the tyre is the car’s main contact with the road, so it strongly influences grip and stability. The transcript’s “how the car works with the tyre” points to how setup and driving balance depend on tire behavior.

Topic

Sweden

"And you know, I think in Sweden, Thierry was either fastest or second fastest on 25% of the stages. And that was quite impressive, you know, and Sweden was an event where the team expected to be quite good from the year before, but we didn't have that level of performance."

Sweden is a rally event where the roads are often snowy or icy. The hosts are comparing how well the team did there versus what they expected.

Topic

Devalloy rally

"You know, we went to Devalloy rally last year, where Adrian and Oliver competed on the stages, nose to nose, toe to toe. And then three weeks later, four weeks later, we're in Monte Carlo."

Devalloy rally is another rally event they’re using as a comparison. They’re saying the cars were very close there, then later the results looked quite different.

Car

Chevrolet Monte Carlo

"...hen three weeks later, four weeks later, we're in Monte Carlo. And suddenly there's a there's an appreciable g..."

The Chevrolet Monte Carlo is a car made by Chevrolet that’s shaped like a sporty two-door coupe. It’s known for having strong engine options and a classic look. People bring it up when talking about older performance cars and how they were used in events.

Concept

slush

"Particularly this year, where we had that mix between it wasn't, it wasn't wet wet, it wasn't snow, and it wasn't dry. The slush was was more than we were predicting."

Slush is half-melted snow mixed with water. It’s slippery in a weird, changing way, so the tires don’t grip consistently.

Part

suspension has been completely reworked

"We've seen great change to to the car over the last 18 months, you know, significant, for example, the suspension has been completely reworked."

They basically redesigned the car’s suspension. That matters because suspension controls how the tires stay planted and how the car handles bumps and turns on rough roads.

Concept

homologation

"Because you're now at a point in the process where you can't evolve the car further, you know, you're pretty much out of homologation. And it wouldn't be wise to be spending more and more budget on a car that's only got 10 rounds, 10 rallies left in its lifespan."

Homologation is the paperwork/rules step that decides what parts your rally car is allowed to use. After that point, you can’t keep redesigning big parts without breaking the competition rules.

Topic

Canary Islands was the first rally of the year

"You know, the car is fast. Canary Islands was the first rally of the year that we haven't scored a fastest time. Yeah, some point through the weekend."

They’re talking about the first rally event of the year in the Canary Islands and how it set the tone for the season.

Concept

window of operation

"The difficulty is and I keep saying it, but the difficulty is the window of operation is is quite narrow. And whilst the old car had a wider window of operation, you know, I"

Think of it like a “sweet spot” for the car. If the sweet spot is small, then when the road or weather changes a little, the car doesn’t work as well and the drivers struggle to go fast.

Topic

Cape 2024

"And that was in the Cape 2024. Yeah. And that's, you know, that's part of the evolution of the championship that's happened."

They mention “Cape 2024” as a past rally example to show how the competition has changed.

Concept

first stage

"We lost Safari on the first stage, the very first stage of the rally, we lost over two minutes with each car, in conditions that came from what we believe the stage was going to be."

A rally is split into timed sections called stages. The first stage matters a lot—if you lose a big chunk of time immediately, it’s much harder to catch up later.

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second stage of the rally

"It was a proper Safari rally stage. And we started the second stage of the rally, two minutes and 30 behind the leaders to be to get Adrian back to 27 seconds behind the leader at"

After the first timed section, the rally moves to the second one. If you’re behind at the start, you have to push hard early to reduce the gap.

Concept

think on your feet

"was a little bit of good fortune during the event in terms of our competition struggling a little bit, but also in terms of us being able to think on our feet and get the cars"

It means reacting quickly when things don’t go as planned. In rallying, you often have to adjust your plan immediately based on what the road and grip are doing.

Concept

rougher, hotter rallies

"Yeah. And I guess I mean, looking towards those rougher, hotter rallies, the decision, the decision to move your permanent test site from Finland to Fondres en Cousine in the south of France, which is notoriously or famously a rougher selection of roads, that makes sense."

This means rallies where the roads are more bumpy and the weather is warmer. That can change how tires grip and how the car handles, so teams tune the car differently.

Concept

permanent test site

"Yeah. And I guess I mean, looking towards those rougher, hotter rallies, the decision, the decision to move your permanent test site from Finland to Fondres en Cousine in the south of France, which is notoriously or famously a rougher selection of roads, that makes sense."

A permanent test site is a dedicated location where a rally team repeatedly develops and validates car setup and development work. Moving it changes the types of roads and conditions the team can practice on, which can accelerate learning for upcoming events.

Concept

evolution car

"And you know, that's where primarily the evolution car came from. Because the speed on those fast gravel rallies was the concern for the old specification car that was always where it struggled."

An “evolution car” is an updated version of the rally car developed over time during a season. Teams use it to address weaknesses found in earlier specifications—often improving performance, drivability, and how the car behaves on specific surfaces.

Concept

fast gravel rallies

"And you know, that's where primarily the evolution car came from. Because the speed on those fast gravel rallies was the concern for the old specification car that was always where it struggled."

“Fast gravel rallies” are gravel events where the stages are designed to be driven at higher average speeds. That puts extra demands on the car’s grip, suspension control, and overall power delivery to stay stable and quick.

Concept

old specification car

"Because the speed on those fast gravel rallies was the concern for the old specification car that was always where it struggled. Because ultimately, it didn't have the performance."

“Old specification” refers to the earlier rules-compliant build of the rally car before later upgrades. In this context, it’s contrasted with the newer evolution car, implying the older version lacked the performance needed for certain fast gravel conditions.

Concept

wider window vs narrow window

"We had in the past, the car had a wider window, but less performance. Now we've got more performance and a narrow window, which is the right solution. I honestly don't know, because you want both, you want a wide window and good performance."

In rally car development, the “window” is the range of conditions where the car performs well—often tied to tire grip, suspension settings, and how the car responds to throttle and steering. A “wider window” means it’s easier to drive consistently across varying conditions, while a “narrow window” can indicate more sensitivity but potentially higher peak performance.

Concept

five year cycle / 10 year cycle regulations

"And as you say, the the challenge is that, that the regulations are written currently on a five year cycle, potential on a 10 year cycle, where, you know, you need to make sure you've got your car operating at the best of its performance from day one."

The speaker is discussing how rally technical regulations are planned over multi-year cycles. Longer cycles change how teams approach development—because you need the car to be competitive from the start and not rely on frequent rule changes to “reset” the playing field.

Concept

running order

"Yeah, 100%. I guess I mean, as well, you know, looking forward to to Portugal, which is rolling out this week. It's kind of further complicated, isn't it? You know, just about everything has gone against you now, when you look at running order for Portugal in that you've got Oliver"

Running order is just the order cars go out on the stages. If you go earlier or later, the road can be different—so it can help or hurt your pace.

Concept

on the road

"a really strong place on the road is a little bit undermined by the likes of Oliver and fourth and Seb in what we think maybe sixth on the road."

Rally cars don’t all drive the course under the same conditions. The “on the road” order affects how slippery or clean the road/stage is when each car arrives.

Concept

starting fifth and seventh

"going to be starting fifth and seventh, fifth and seventh. And then Danny, I think will be ninth or possibly ninth, I think he'll be, which, you know, normally you would say is a is a is a decent advantage"

Where you start in the rally affects how the track feels when you drive it. That can change grip and make the same route easier or harder.

Concept

raw pace

"We don't know what the total raw pace is going to be on those stages. We were surprised in Monte Carlo."

Raw pace is basically how fast you can go at your best, without distractions. Teams can test and prepare, but they still have to see how fast the car really is once the rally starts.

Concept

permanent test road

"...the move from from Finland to to the south of France for the permanent test road was pretty much around the two options."

A “permanent test road” is a dedicated route for testing cars over and over. It helps teams compare changes because the surface and conditions are more consistent than normal roads.

Concept

tarmac

"...we needed to do a little bit of work on tarmac. And we do have a short piece of tarmac..."

“Tarmac” means paved asphalt. Rally cars behave differently on asphalt than on loose gravel, so teams adjust tires and settings accordingly.

Concept

setup

"...It's not it's not perfect for setup, because there's too much grip in the road."

“Setup” is how the team adjusts the car to match the road. Things like suspension and tire choices can change how the car feels and handles.

Concept

homologated

"...to understand which is the best combination of those parts. And so for Portugal, we've done..."

“Homologated” means the race organizers have checked and approved the parts for use in the rally. Teams can test those approved parts to see which combination works best.

Concept

mileage

"...We wanted to make sure we could do the mileage to be able to test all of the options..."

Here, “mileage” just means how many miles the car is driven during testing. Driving more helps the team check that everything holds up and works as intended.

Concept

21 days test regulation

"...But this is the problem that you have when you have the 21 days test regulation."

The “21 days test regulation” is a rule that caps how long teams are allowed to test. Because testing time is limited, teams have to choose where and how they test very strategically.

Concept

Portugal

"we've done everything we possibly can to try and have the best performance that we can in Portugal. And now it's down to a good recce."

Portugal is the rally location they’re talking about. Different rallies have different road surfaces and layouts, so what works well in one place may not work as well in another.

Concept

shakedown

"we have a shakedown on Wednesday. And then obviously, like you say, the stages on Thursday afternoon down towards Coimbra."

A shakedown is like a dress rehearsal before the real race. The team uses it to try out the car and make sure everything feels right before the timed stages begin.

Concept

stages

"And then obviously, like you say, the stages on Thursday afternoon down towards Coimbra."

In a rally, the race is broken into timed sections called stages. Your total time across all those sections decides where you finish.

Concept

clear target of what our potential opportunity is

"So we go to every event with a clear target of what our potential opportunity is."

They’re saying they set a specific goal for each rally based on what they think will happen. That way they don’t take unnecessary risks chasing an unrealistic result.

Term

podium

"...this is an event where we think podium is very possible. Having two cars on the podium is possible."

In rally races, “podium” just means the top three finishers. So if they say podium is possible, they’re saying a top-three result could happen.

Concept

pace did seem to fall off

"...he talked about the others speeding up, but his pace did seem to fall off a little bit..."

They’re saying the driver seemed to get slower later in the rally. That could be due to tires wearing out, the road getting harder, or the car not working as well as it did earlier.

Term

in car

"I mean, what I watched every kilometer of the in car from the first, from the first stages..."

“In-car” means the view from inside the rally car. They’re saying they watched the driver’s performance closely from the cockpit perspective.

Term

risk level

"I think he had more in the, more in the tank, but the risk level goes, goes significantly more. And we knew that from, from effectively Saturday morning, the amount of risk that we wanted to take on that rally was not, you know, there wasn't a potential benefit."

“Risk level” is how hard the driver is willing to push. Go too hard and you might crash or get stuck; push the right amount and you can still go faster without losing too much time.

Concept

puncture

"Hayden and John did a fantastic job in Croatia, keeping out of trouble. They had a puncture and lost a minute and a half. But they, you know, they just super professional about the whole thing and just managed it really well."

A puncture means the tire gets damaged and goes flat. In a rally, that usually means stopping to change the tire, which costs time.

Concept

WRC

"...particularly with experience in rally one, you know, there's lots of good young drivers coming through the ranks now."

WRC is the top world championship for rally racing. Drivers and teams compete across many events, earning points each rally.

Concept

team orders

"...having five drivers with no team orders also comes with its own stress, and it's kind of, it's sorted itself out at the end of the year."

Team orders are instructions from a rally team telling drivers how to behave strategically—often to manage risk, protect a points position, or coordinate who should push and who should hold back. They’re especially relevant when multiple cars are competing for the same championship points.

Concept

manufacturer's championship

"I think in terms of manufacturer's championship, the gap is, is, is significant. And I think we've only scored outscored towed on one event this year of the five,"

This is the competition where the car brand earns points based on race results. It’s like a team standings race, not just about one driver.

Concept

points available every weekend

"You know, that's one of the things at the moment is there's a lot of points available every weekend. And if you're in the rhythm, and you have a weekend like we did in Saudi, you can really start to gain a lot of points."

Each rally weekend gives out points for where you finish. If you do well repeatedly, you can move up quickly in the standings.

Car

Rally 2 car

"we've been using the Rally 2 car for tyre development effectively... every kilometre is being used on the development of the chassis... But that experience directly translates into the customer racing programme."

A “Rally 2 car” is a rally race car class that teams use for testing and racing. Here, Hyundai uses it to learn how changes affect grip and handling, then carries that knowledge into their customer racing program.

Term

chassis

"every kilometre is being used on the development of the chassis... on tyres to understand that we have the right crossovers, the right mixes, the right pressures."

The chassis is the car’s main structure—the part everything else is attached to. Improving the chassis and its setup helps the car handle better and stay stable in corners and over bumps.

Term

pressures

"on tyres to understand that we have the right crossovers, the right mixes, the right pressures."

Tire pressure is how much air is in the tires. Changing it can change how the tire grips and how it feels over rough roads, so they’re testing to find the right settings.

Term

crossovers

"we've been using the Rally 2 car just to do the mileage... on tyres to understand that we have the right crossovers, the right mixes, the right pressures."

“Crossovers” here is about choosing the right tire option for different conditions. They’re confirming that the tire choices they plan to use will work with the car’s setup.

Term

customer racing programme

"But that experience directly translates into the customer racing programme. And the engineers from the customer racing team have been heavily involved with the WRC drivers in that testing cycle..."

A customer racing programme is when a manufacturer supports private racing teams with cars and engineering help. The goal is to make sure the cars work well in real competition, not just in factory testing.

Term

sporting regulations

"It's very difficult to understand the way the sporting regulations are going to play out next year still."

Sporting regulations are the official rules for how the racing series will work. If those rules aren’t clear yet, teams can’t fully plan what car strategy or development priorities will make sense.

Topic

ARA

"I'm not sure if you've seen been across any of Lea's results, but she's made a strong start to ARA. Oh, yeah, absolutely."

ARA is the rally championship/series Lea Block is racing in. They’re saying she’s started well and they’re watching her results closely.

Concept

stage by stage

"I've been following stage by stage. I'm very lucky that Derek is very good at keeping everybody up to speed with what's going on."

Rallies are split into sections called stages. “Stage by stage” means looking at how someone does on each section, not just the final result.

Concept

single seaters

"she's jumped into that car after a couple of years in single seaters and really started to find the pace there."

“Single seaters” are race cars where there’s only one driver, like open-wheel racing. They’re saying Lea came from that kind of racing and is now learning rally driving too.

Concept

rally two car

"But as soon as she jumped into the rally two car, she seemed to be feeling at home. And and I know Derek and the team have done a really good job of making sure she's properly prepared for each of those events."

“Rally two car” doesn’t mean a special kind of vehicle. It’s about how the rally event is set up—basically which group/entry the driver is running in for that part of the competition.

Topic

Olympus

"Olympus is a fantastic event. You know, it's a really long rally. It's a difficult rally."

“Olympus” is the name of a rally event. They’re saying it’s a tough one—long stages and some very fast sections—so doing well there takes real skill and preparation.

Concept

at pace

"But she she really jumped into it and was was immediately at pace. And I think that that's something that's not easy to do, to be honest."

“At pace” means she’s driving fast enough to keep up with the leaders. It’s not just going through the motions—she’s confident and quick on the stages.

Concept

momentum

"And hopefully, if she can just keep that momentum, she'll be in a position by the middle of the year to really start getting the hammer down and getting some results."

“Momentum” here means she’s building confidence and getting better as the season goes on. The idea is that a good start can lead to even better results later.

Concept

hammer down

"...by the middle of the year to really start getting the hammer down and getting some results."

“Hammer down” means going for it—pressing the accelerator hard to drive faster. It suggests she’ll be confident enough to take more speed and risk.

Brand

Subaru

"...when he stepped over from Subaru into Ford. And when was that 2007?"

Subaru is mentioned because Derek Dawn worked there before moving to Ford. Rally teams often share people and know-how between brands.

Brand

Ford

"...when he stepped over from Subaru into Ford. And when was that 2007?"

Ford is mentioned because Derek Dawn moved there after Subaru. The point is that he’s been involved with major rally programs across different brands.

Topic

watching those rallies through the night

"...But it's something as I say, watching those rallies through the night is is a bit more complicated. But the good thing is, I know when the stage is finished..."

They’re talking about following rally coverage late into the night. It’s harder to keep track, so quick updates when a stage ends help a lot.

Company

Mitsubishi

"...erroneously labelling you as a Toyota team member. That was of course wrong. You were of course Mitsubishi all the way through."

Mitsubishi is a car brand that competes in rally racing. The host is correcting who Derek is connected to—Mitsubishi, not Toyota.

Company

Toyota

"...Derek, apologies. I know you're a listener to spin the rally pod and erroneously labelling you as a Toyota team member. That was of course wrong."

Toyota is a car brand. The host says they mistakenly thought Derek was with Toyota, but it was actually another brand.

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