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I'm Chris Carter here to answer your calls at 866-594-4150.

Quickly before we get to calls, there's a lot of calls coming in.

We'll get to them.

Shannon, you were out snowmobiling.

Were all laws and common sense followed?

Yes.

Okay.

That's good to know.

We had a very, very good time.

Okay.

Good.

Everyone's safe.

Did all of the snowmobiles make it back in one piece?

Did you read the text?

All of my snowmobiles made it back in one piece.

All right.

Yeah.

A friend of mine still was able to ride his, but there was a booboo.

Not all the pieces were there.

No.

And we had to creatively hold it together on the trail.

And not all of your snowmobiles came back with the same parts they left with.

Yes?

That is true?

I had a...

Yeah, we had one of them that had a blown belt going across the lake at speed.

At common sense speeds.

You were driving the, what is it?

The 55 mile an hour DNR regulated speed.

Isn't that what it is?

I think that's what it is.

55?

I'm not sure.

45?

Well, let's talk to Jeff from...

Let's go to North Dakota and talk to Jeff and change the subject.

Jeff, you're on the end of the hood show.

What can we do for you?

Thank you, take on my call.

You bet.

I have a 2021 Toyota 4Runner.

It only has $6,000 miles on it because it's primarily a winter vehicle.

And recently I've had an event end of January.

I was going to get on a busy street.

And when I pushed on the accelerator, it went into lip mode.

And on the dash, it said brake and accelerator pressed simultaneously.

And I was not doing that.

And that kept doing it.

And then I got where I was going and I started it up again and it was fine.

But I still made an appointment for the next morning anyway to have it checked out.

And they said everything checked out fine.

There's no codes, nothing's wrong with it.

That night we went out for dinner and it did it constantly.

To the point where it was like somebody was not happy with me because why are we driving this

vehicle?

And then it was kind of slippery that night.

We're early the day before it wasn't.

And it got to the point where it kind of got better, where it would go into a little bit

of traction control before it would go into lip mode.

So the next morning I brought it in again and they were interested.

Yeah, we'll take it, bring it in right away.

And they had it all day long and they said they could not get it to duplicate.

Everybody was dry of it.

And it got to the point where they said, okay, it did it once.

But they couldn't re-duplicate it again and there was no codes, nothing was wrong.

And then finally they still get in closing time, they said, come pick it up.

And then they told me that they had been in touch with Toyota corporate engineers.

And made it sound like nothing was wrong.

But it has never done it since then.

So I'm just wondering if there would be something going on behind the scenes.

Because I went down a long rabbit hole on this whole thing.

And it all ties back to the programming that's put into the vehicle with

the accelerator issues they had back in the 2000s, early 2000s or whatever it was.

So I just want your thoughts on it.

Yeah, that was over 20 years ago.

Well, I'm flummoxed as to who could have been upset that they were in that vehicle.

That's a mystery to me, I can't imagine who that would be.

So this only did it one time and it's never did it again?

No, no, it did it multiple times the first time and then I made the appointment.

And then after they had it for four hours, they said there's nothing wrong,

no codes, nothing's wrong with it.

But then it did it all that night after I picked it up.

And it did it constantly over and over again.

And then I brought in the next day and then that's when the next appearance happened.

When they said, okay, we had to do it once, but they really weren't sure.

There's no codes.

They can't do anything.

They've been talking that.

Yeah, if there's nothing in there that's a hard fault,

even if the shop sees the problem, that problem has to occur continuously

and never stop for them to be able to find it.

If they got in it and you had 10 people at that dealership drive the car

and say, oh yeah, I see it doing it right now.

And then they plug into it.

They try to diagnose it and it doesn't do it continuously.

It could do it just once here and there.

They are never going to find it.

It needs to be broken every time they try to accelerate.

Then they can find it because while they're testing it, if it's not actively occurring,

there's no way to find out what it is.

That's like, I don't even know what to compare it to.

It's just not possible to find it.

But if it's a hard code, then they'll say, okay, we've discovered this issue

because of this code that's being set.

We should replace this component.

I'm kind of curious when you said you went down the rabbit hole.

I'm assuming you started asking a lot of questions on the internet and you ended up

with someone saying that it was safeguarding programming that was put in back from years ago.

All cars do this now.

If you step on the brake in the gas, most of the time it won't give you a message,

but it won't accelerate.

It's made to shut off the throttle when you step on the brake.

So if it's got a bad brake switch and the brakes are actually being activated,

if somebody was following you and saw that your brake lights came on when you were trying

to accelerate, that would be a great tell right there because there's no codes.

It thinks it's doing what it's supposed to, but it's going to turn on.

And weather differences could affect that if you've got a problem with that brake switch.

So it thinks you're braking, but you're not braking because that is standard.

It's supposed to do it.

Yeah.

They checked all that stuff.

Everything was perfect.

Nothing was wrong with it.

But it just intrigued me that it was after they had contacted Toyota corporate engineering

that all of a sudden I haven't had the problem anymore.

Well, they may have tried something.

If it was in there and they didn't make any repairs,

they may have just reflashed everything in the software just to see what would happen.

They're like, well, we couldn't find anything.

You got some updates that need to be done.

Let's do it.

Because almost every car is going to have updates after it's three or four years old

because it's parts where parameters need to be changed in order to not have lights come on.

Did you know, did they say if they did any programming to it or did they just analyze?

They were really quiet about it.

It was just kind of like when that came up, the Toyota thing engineering,

and all of a sudden it was like, well, they were done talking about it.

And that's not unusual at all because the techs to do or to say...

No.

Well, no, but I know techs, Russ knows techs that are in dealerships.

And there's times where they've got a resource to reach out to.

If they're beating their head against the wall and they're not figuring something out,

they've got a path they can follow that connects them to the resources at the manufacturer,

including engineers, if they need to go that far.

And the service managers, they have to elevate things,

but they have an ability to do that.

That is not unusual for that to happen.

But I would just, like Russ said, I'd be curious if that phone call

or that email exchange or whatever it was led to them saying,

hey, why don't you hook up to this thing and we're going to update the software.

This shouldn't be it.

But we'll do this and then just see.

Or whatever they said or whatever they did.

We're going to do this and don't.

But we do know that with confidence that because of the noise from the unintended

acceleration challenges that were out there, I mean, we talked about this in the show where

they even took it to NASA engineers trying to figure out and said,

there's no way that could have happened with the safeguards that they had.

And that's when the advent of the floor mats with the pegs in them to hold them back.

So they don't slide up under the accelerator.

All that came into play was all during that time.

And like Russ, I'm repeating him again, but they did put safeguards in the systems

just to make sure even more safeguards, just like the throttles have redundancy

on the contacts in them, numerous ones on them.

So before with the electronic throttles to have safeguards in place.

So I think that I would, I appreciate you, Colin.

I'd let my heart not be troubled about it because at least it's not where it is

completely stopping you.

It goes into that limp mode and you're able to get somewhere

and it hasn't happened now for months.

Yeah, about a month.

Yeah, close to a month.

And we've had some, you're in North Dakota.

What part of North Dakota are you in?

Fargo.

We've had some crazy temperature swings.

We've been super cold.

We've been moist.

We've been, now you're probably experiencing better weather.

You know, we've been all over the board here this winter.

So, you know, those things can affect the environment too, the ambient surroundings.

And I think, you know, those are such good vehicles.

This is highly unusual, obviously.

Is it, is it possible or is he going internet crazy a little bit that he brought it in?

They talked to the corporate engineers.

The corporate engineers fixed something and said, don't tell anybody.

Is that logical or is it possible?

I think that's conspiracy theory too much for me.

I think that if they found something and said, you know what, we reflashed the computer,

they didn't know if that would fix it or not.

But we're going to, we want to get everything reset.

It's just like your home computer.

Sometimes the printer doesn't work.

Yeah.

And you just, you're like, I can't figure out what's going on.

And you just restart everything.

Relate it and reinstall it.

Well, no, not even that.

You just started, you restart the computer and the printer works again.

Everything reconnects.

Yeah.

You know, that, it's, that happens.

It, this, these, these are sophisticated systems in these vehicles.

There's, there's computer can bus networks talking to each other all over the vehicle.

Sometimes my printer doesn't work if I don't use it for like a month and a half.

And I'm not taking it outside.

No.

It's not raining where I take it.

Well, and then you find out the kids took all the paper out of it.

Yeah. Where, why is it out of, where's the paper?

Jeff, does that help you out at all or just kind of let you move along?

No. Yeah, that does help me out quite a bit.

So I'm not going to worry about it because it's been driving perfectly

over since that I'm going to go with, they maybe reflashed it like you said and cleaned it up.

There you go. Jeff, thanks very much for the call.

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Let's go to Pennsylvania and talk to Tom.

You're on the end of the hood show.

Tom, what can we do for you?

Hi guys. Thanks for taking my call.

You bet.

I have the 17 equinox with the rear main seal needing replacing any tips or tricks.

Fix the problem that caused the rear main seal to leak

before replacing the rear main seal.

If you pull the oil cap off and you've got pressure in there while it's running,

that's what caused that seal to blow out of there.

They never fail on their own.

I've never once seen one fail because of where they just don't.

Highly unlikely.

What happens is...

No, I'm aware of the reason.

It was very cold here that we haven't had it.

It froze up and I have all the symptoms.

I'm just going to pull the engine and want it to know if there's anything specifically I should look for.

Nothing special.

Dormant products makes a complete rear cover for that.

We use them in our shop, in our partner bars.

You get the whole cover with the seal in the middle.

It even comes with a little ring that goes on there to protect it as you're putting it together.

I see.

Now that's what I'm going to buy.

Do you know about the man of old fix?

No.

Do you know about the man of old fix for that?

That was on my list here.

Did you have a little hole in the intake?

No.

You don't need to do that.

No.

Because that only clears out the center hole.

It doesn't clear out all of it.

When you pull the intake off, which is going to be really easy for you if you're pulling the engine,

probably 10 minutes, take it off.

You can either buy a complete updated intake that will have larger passages,

but only to the point where the engine will still run fine because if they're too big,

if they're drilled out, it won't run properly.

But there's one in the center where they're showing you to drill on YouTube.

But then that tees off to four ports, one in each cylinder.

Those will clog up as well.

You need to just take a little pick and clean out the carbon that's in the center one.

And then spray some carburetor cleaner or throttle body cleaner into that hole and make

sure it flows out of all four ports and then blow it out with compressed air.

That's what happens to the engine.

That plugs up with a tiny bit of carbon and then you get that back pressure.

And then once that happens, the tube that you see that you're talking about that

froze up that goes from the air cleaner down to the engine, it's got a little loop in it.

They make a tube that's straighter so that the gravity lets the moisture flow back into the

engine and with it breathing properly, it'll flow right on through and keep that tube clean.

And you won't need a catch can and you will have an engine that runs properly.

Now to keep that clean, you can either use an emission system cleaner kit and use it regularly,

you know, about once a year will usually do it, but you've got to spray it in there.

It will go into the intake port, the CRC kit we use, it has, you put it into the intake,

you introduce it there where the throttle body is in the air cleaner and it pulls it in and it

gets sucked through those ports as it's vacuumed in through the, it's not really, it's a PCV,

but it's a passive PCV without an actual valve.

It just has those drilled ports, but it'll suck it in there and clean those out.

And that's what you're looking for to keep that clean because those engines,

they do get a bad rap because that plugs up and then it blows the rear seal out,

the motor locks up because it's out of oil or it burns a lot of oil, sticks the piston rings,

and then they wear the cylinders and then it consumes oil even with a new intake.

And now what we found is if you do the maintenance on them,

they have a lot less chance of the failure.

Okay. Yeah, I've only been putting the B12 in like every other oil change,

but I never did the actual spraying it in the intake.

See, that'll get into the fuel system and it will clean the injectors,

which is perfect on that engine too. You do need to clean the injectors,

but you also need to go through that intake so it'll pull it through that port,

which is the cause of the failure on these in most cases.

And this is a 2.4 that was used like from 2012 to 20 or 13 or what was that at?

No, it's trying to get my ears right there, but it's,

it was a long range of use on that engine.

Eight to go back that far.

Eight to 20.

Yeah, yeah, that's the 2.4 that was real common.

And there's a lot of these vehicles on the road and then they were still putting engines in them.

Well, gosh, yeah, I mean, they're good vehicles.

Yeah, they hold their value really well,

surprisingly compared to their bigger brother's vehicles that are not holding the

value as well. I think it's just a popularity thing.

When I was trying, Tom, thanks very much for the call. Good luck.

When I was traveling, I was sitting next to some musicians from the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra

and they were speaking German.

And it was much like listening to that conversation between Tom and Russ to me.

I didn't.

Basically, the engine was trying to operate with its nose plugged.

And you got to take a pick and it couldn't breathe.

And then make sure it goes to the floor.

You had to open it up so it could breathe.

Otherwise it's building internal pressure and it's popping the most easy to move

piece out is the rear main seal on the crankshaft.

And then it lets the oil fall out of the engine and you got problems.

866-594-4150. Let's go to Arkansas and talk to Jill.

You're on the end of the hood show. What can we do for you?

Okay. I have a 96 Ford Ranger and it's a four liter.

And I keep getting a code PO171 and 0174. I know it's both banks lean.

Yeah.

And I've...

What have you done to it?

I'll let you speak first.

No, have you done anything to it? Replace anything?

Okay. So I've cleaned the mass air flow sensor.

I've cleaned the throttle by just because I've checked for vacuum leaks.

Not with a smoke detector, but spraying, you know,

carpeting around all the, you know, intake and all that.

Nothing. It idle is perfect. It doesn't run rough or anything like that.

And so whenever I clear the code, it comes on right after...

Right off, it comes on exactly off idle.

When I go to take off, it will pop the light on.

And I'll check the code into 171.

So now I am down to where it said it could be a fuel filter or a fuel pump.

So I put a pressure gauge on it and I don't have...

And now it's either going to be the filter or the pump, I do believe.

Reason being is this morning I go out there and it's only getting to 28 with key on engine off.

Started it up. It went to 32 running.

I disconnect the vacuum regulator and nothing changes.

So I don't know, could it be the regulator or do you...

It is either a fuel filter.

It should go up with the regulator disconnected.

And I think those would go up to about 46 or 48 pounds.

So it sounds like it's a little bit up there.

If that's, you know, if you've got low fuel pressure, start with a filter, of course.

And see if the pressure goes up.

Right, of course.

And if it doesn't, then you'll probably need a little pump in there to get it.

But once you get the pressure where it's supposed to be,

even though you clean the mass airflow sensor, we've seen lots of those that fail.

The sensors just wear out internally and they can't, there's a resistor in there

and a little transistor in it.

It heats a wire and it has to measure how much the computer measures,

how much amperage it takes to keep that wire at a certain temperature.

And if that starts to fail, it can't do that any longer.

And that's a very common part to fail.

So are you saying once I get my fuel, my fuel pressures up where they need to be,

and if it happens, that would, that should be where I should go next.

That's, that's what I would do.

Okay. And it is, like I say, it is a 96 with 158,000 miles.

So it is 30 years old, that pump in the tank.

So that could still possibly be, but for sure.

I know the filter first filters.

Oh man, I bet that filters really bad.

Is it internal filter?

No, it's external on that one.

Luckily, well, he's in Arkansas.

So hopefully that'll come apart up here.

The lines would break trying to take it out because it'd be so rusty.

Gotcha.

Yours is probably clean.

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Do you know that for a fact?

No.

Okay I would just let that hang out there.

Okay and Universal Technical Institute.

Find them at UTI.edu.

They didn't.

They're those folks that train mechanics.

All sorts of.

They didn't know what would happen.

Whether it would turn into liquid or.

It's like he's going to break the sound barrier and what's going to happen.

He might just.

I watched the first space shuttle enterprise launch off the 747 modified for test runs and

they're like okay let it go.

See what happens and they're like well it should fly.

It's plane shaped.

It worked.

But what was even more.

It was in the same breath on YouTube basically as the Soviet space shuttle.

There was nobody on that.

It was remote control.

That's even more impressive don't you think?

Back then yeah.

Yeah back then for the 70s when you've got a.

If it worked.

I mean we don't know.

I mean we don't know if they said it did.

It wasn't AI.

I mean at least we have that right.

Yeah true.

But a lot of people don't even know.

There was a Soviet space shuttle that looked just like it.

Just like ours.

I wonder how that happened.

866-594-4150.

Let's go to Pennsylvania and talk to Rod.

You're on the end of the hood show Rod.

What can we do for you?

I've been listening to your show for a decade or more and find it to be awesome.

I love it.

Thank you.

So I have an 18 F-150 with the 2.7 EcoBoost 100k miles and over the last year or so it started

to develop a ringing rattling noise on startup that over a period of maybe you know 10 minutes

as the car gets completely warmed up disappears.

I had initially hoped or thought this was a heat shield rattle but crawling around underneath

of it I can't find a loose heat shield and so now I'm worried it's a turbo waste gate

that's acting up on me and so if that's true my main question is how long can I go with

this before I think about a repair.

Maybe forever.

Ford's actually got a nice little bulletin.

You remember that one?

Dan you read it at a meeting.

So Ford came out with this bulletin and said if you have a brand new truck or you have a

truck with 100,000 miles it is normal for our turbocharged engines to rattle and creak and

make ringing noises from the day they're purchased and I wonder if they didn't do that as a way out

of some of the warranties like when they say oh it's perfectly acceptable to burn three

quarts of oil in a thousand miles that's our standard as long as it meets that you're not over

but I haven't seen a lot of turbos fail after they've developed that noise.

I have a customer with one of these and he pulls a boat all over the country with this thing not

not overweight it's probably 50% of what it could pull but it pulls all over the place.

Things been ringing since he bought the truck with 150, 160,000 miles and I think it's got

275 on it now which is a lot for one of those but it's also had timing chains completely

replaced in it the whole kit and that's that's what you got to worry about more than the

more than the turbos is those timing chains when they start start getting loose on them and

but then you fix them and they keep going and as long as you pull within their

rated value and be very conservative about it 70 in that 70% range they seem to pull

and be very strong for a long time when you get up in there that 80% which is what we recommend

for everything and and that the manufacturers recommend at the most that starts that's fully

loaded and you get times where you're hitting 100 because 80% doesn't account for wind it says

we could have wind we could have a little extra load so if we're at 80

occasionally we'll bump up against the 100 but if you're at 70 you're going to be even lower

and when you tow that's that's hard on a vehicle it's really that's like they call it like high

impact exercise you tell me I don't I don't pull anything with this truck really you should last

you got two or three thousand pounds small trailer oh that's perfect that's that's just

a little exercise for that vehicle I would listen to that rattle and not be too concerned with it

until it becomes a source of burning oil because you're getting oil in the intake tubes or okay it

rattles so bad that you're getting boost codes because you've got an under boost condition

and it's not making the boost anymore that's when I really get nervous but that rattle

light upon acceleration and definitely when you first start it is pretty much considered normal

I hear it if I don't hear it on one of those trucks when I started up I'm really surprised

we have a we have a we have a bronco raptor and it makes noise on startup and we had to go back

in for just normal service and I just said guys you want to listen to that is that is that normal

for this it's only got 12,000 miles on it and they came back with that answer

they said it's normal they said the turbos are going to make some noise when it starts up and

it just it doesn't sound normal to me at all and since since we're used to hearing pretty much

like I said it's rare to hear one not do it I believe what they're saying when they say look

we've studied this it's fine but if I only heard this on 10 percent or even let's say even I'd go

as high as 30 if 30 percent of every one of these I heard no matter what the mileage did it I'd say

no they're just throwing that out there to cover it up you know just like the oil usage thing

because if you have a with the oil thing I'll say it again because it just irks me to no end

when somebody calls me and says I have a 2019 Silverado and it burns two quarts of oil every

thousand miles but they won't do anything because they said it's normal it's a you go out to your lot

and pick 50 vehicles off that lot of any kind any make you pull that dipstick and they're not going

to burn oil so don't tell me it's normal for this one to burn oil when the rest of them do not

that's a cover up do they say it's normal or acceptable acceptable yeah yeah some of the

it is not acceptable it leads to catalytic converters plugging up early it damaged engines

lots of lots of issues Rod thanks very much for the call good luck you just reminded me

we haven't gone up to that OHV yet with the off-road area up by Appleton and come on man I'm go

kind of selfish let's talk to George you're on the end of the hood show George what can we do for you

say I have a a 2018 Cadillac XD 5 it's got about 82,000 miles on it and on Monday my wife was coming

back from town and she swirled you know a little bit right left right left to miss something on

her road and she got this steering assist action or steering assist reduced action required message

so she dismissed it and we didn't think much of it so I looked a little bit on the internet but

the next day she went she started the car with the remote start in the garage and when she went

out to open the garage door she's thought that the engine sounded like it was running louder than

normal and so when she got in and hit the start button that message popped up again and so she

dismissed it again and then she drove like 240 miles and turned the car on and off a couple times

and that message never appeared again and we drove it again yesterday about 20 miles and no message

again so we're wondering just what it sounds like from internet stuff that I looked up it was

like they called it the water outlet or something and I don't have a code reader so I can't see if

there's any codes what um just entertain me a little bit further what kind of caddy is it 18

caddy what what model an xp5 oh I didn't hear was yeah it's got this yeah it's got this six cylinder in

it that you're not done with this it's gonna keep coming back if it's got a steering assist more than

once it either has low voltage because it has an alternator issue or a wire issue that's it's

melted at the alternator we've seen that on those or you've got it you're gonna need a more than

likely a steering the electric steering gear for that which it's electric assist those fail a lot

you know as far as steering gears go all the electric steering units fail a lot at at some

point you'll see it in different vehicles some are better than others but with these yeah you'll see

it'll fail and then the steering is going to be more it's just more difficult to turn it's going

to take both hands to turn it and you're only going to be able to turn it while you're rolling

right but you will be able to still turn it you know she's trying to drive in a parking lot she's

gonna think she can't turn it at all because you won't be able to unless you roll the car

the faster you're going the easier it's going to be to move it on its wheels

yeah the part about I looked on the internet a little bit and they talked about a the water

outlet or a thermostat problem causing causing that that to come up there was a there I don't

know some kind of a service bullet than this guy was talking about if it's leaking on electronic

components yeah if it's leaking on electronic components yes okay if you've got a thermostat

housing and it's leaking onto the belt and the belt slips it will give you a steering assist

issue that could that can happen so that's in that alternator you've got to look at the

charging system and make sure it's functioning properly because if the voltage is low you're

going to get steering assist pretty quickly that um the the part that's odd to me more is

when she opened the garage door and thought it sounded louder that has really no correlation

was a car running in a closed garage that's the first thing yeah did it did it echo different

or something this is the her normal correct right yeah but I mean we've started it before in there

and it's usually fairly quiet so I was wondering if it was the the engine fan that was running

you know just after well air pump there's an air pump in there so yeah that that air pump would

echo and if it was 20 degrees colder than normal then anything could really I mean that it could

be something but it that that's a normal thing for one time when you listen yeah especially if

you're hyper aware of that your car has an issue and she just used the menu on the steering wheel

to cancel um what the message that came up yes so there was never a code set per se it was a

message no no check engine light came on or anything like that correct that's correct yeah no no

check engine lights or anything like that so you're saying that the generator or alternator would we

check the the voltage on the output of the alternator or the at the battery to see how that's

yeah it needs to be checked at the at the battery but you also need to inspect that belt to make

sure it does not have coolant leaking on it because if it does have coolant leaking on it

on the front side of that engine it's going to cause it to slip and it's it's not the belt

alternator that's the problem it's the coolant getting on it causing it to slip that's why they

put splash shields under the car one of the reasons they want to keep water from the road

and snow and things from getting in there because once the belt gets wet it'll slip

it's got a lot of traction going on in there that still has a power steering pump on it

no electric it's running low on voltage if the alternator so that I got it I was

I wasn't tracking what you're doing there okay some of these modern cars an alternator could draw

10 to 12 horsepower so it's really got so then they get a low voltage situation and then it causes

George thanks very much for the call good luck 8 6 6 5 9 4 4 1 5 0 that's the number to reach

us here at the end of the hood show let's talk to Kurt you're on the end of the hood show Kurt

what can we do for you yeah I heard you talking anapheres or fluids uh just when I

threw it in here before the break and and I thought you know you might have a

an answer I got 97 grand marquee uh with that uh what is it 4 6 v 8 kind of the common engine

knows of crown victors etc uh I pretty much what's happened and we'll we'll say about five months

go 5 000 miles give or take either way pretty close I I believe I was pretty much completely

out of anapheres in the reservoir and uh well I guess maybe I hadn't glanced at it for a while so

I filled it up I was just looking the other day and uh it was completely drained again now this is

when it had been sitting overnight or several nights whatever both times so it was completely

a cool uh engine and so now within five five months 5 000 miles uh roughly uh it's completely

drained again I have no idea where that fluid is going I have not seen any leaks on the floor

or haven't noticed any uh during driving periods uh just don't don't know where it's going just

kind of wondering what where do you start on that knowing what we do about those cars the first

place I would look would be to take that coolant reservoir take the one bolt out of it slide it

out of its bracket look at the bottom side of it the bottom side of those will develop a crack

the four torus will do the same thing I believe it's the same bottle and it will run down that

crack down the inner fender liner into the corner of the car and just dissipate underneath it'll

blow away as it's going and it happens when it gets warmer so when it's cold

it's not like it sits there and run leaves a puddle in the driveway it just does it under

pressure when it's warm and it it will just get down below that level and it'll kind of stay there

the engine won't overheat but it's too low sometimes your heater won't work as well as it should

if you go to advanced auto parts you can ask them for a coolant reservoir bottle if you discover

that's what it is and you can choose any one of them they'll probably have two maybe three and you

just pick the best price or the one you want they're all going to be a good quality part

and then putting taking it off and putting it on is really simple you've got the one hose clamp on

the end of it and then you've got the one nut that holds it on the hardest thing is going to be

getting the nut off of there you're going to you know make sure you don't break it if you do

don't worry about it too much you can put a bolt and a nut through the fender from the bottom the

fender liner just put a nut on top of it that's what that's what we do but we see a lot of those

reservoirs leaking we pressure test them of course we're doing it when it's cold it's in the shop

it's not running and sometimes we can't find it and then I pull that bottle off turn it over and I

look at the bottom and I can see like a little dirt line it's a it's a line that's stained with that

coolant but it's damp on there so I know it's been leaking there it's kind of an off-color yellowish

clear so you can you can really see where it's distorted under there but I'll I bet that's probably

where it's leaking from that's the most common the second most common would be the intake manifold

the whole intake yeah and that's got the thermostat housing integrated into it

right they corrode in the corners yep and they will dissipate a little bit of antifreeze and then

the heat of the engine can yeah because they get the valley it goes into the valley and burns it away

you typically smell yeah just a little bit that sweet smell antifreeze when it's that either well

either one of them but the one when it's burning on the engine you somebody with a keen nose should

smell that one I got one leaking up at the shop right now can you smell it from here I might be

able to yeah here I got a good nose for that it's only a few miles you're like a bomb sniffing dog

you just antifreeze sniffing dog but that is something that is a common issue and I know

dormant products sells a you know a much better than original intake manifold that we we've sold

a lot of in the in the past not as many of those in that era but there's still a bunch of them on

the road because you're we're assuming we're assuming we're assuming you're not seeing any antifreeze

on the floor like you said and you're not getting anything into the oil or else you'd notice that

no no I've checked that diligently yeah just quickly what's a lot of labor involved for you

to do that job besides I'm not talking the tank but the manifold is that a lot of labor on on your

end to have that done for me or it's a few hours yeah it's not awful it's a few hours to do it

yeah it's a plastic intake it's got stuff hooked to it that takes as long as anything and then

it can be checked before like in our shop we do one of these we inspect it first get you a free

estimate and then you can decide if you want to fix it you know Kurt thanks very much for the call

good luck 866-594-4150 let's talk to Greg you're on the end of the hood show Greg what can we do for

you I got a 2018 Dodge Durango with a 36 in it with a P0171 code and we're getting about 25% fuel

trim on bank one we've smoke tested the intake compression tested the leak down tested it tested

the back pressure in the cat and just can't get that fuel trim straight out we've done a few injectors

in these vehicles it's very likely you've got one that's clogged or electrically not the same as the

others first step easiest without taking it out you can test each injector as you go see what the

resistance of them is and if they're all the same then you can put a fuel pressure gauge on it

key on engine off with it with the fuel pump running turn that injector on and see what your

your drop is see how fast it drops and watch it on all of them and you just do it one at a time

and then you start the engine in between to clear out that fuel go to the next one turn it on and

so on and you go through and sometimes you'll find that there's not much of a drop on one or

it's a very slow slow drop of the gauge whereas the other one's just right down to zero as soon as

you activate it that's telling you that injector is dirty it's it's clogged up and most of the time

you'll just replace it because cleaning it's not really an option without a reverse flow injector

cleaner setup that's how they rebuild a lot when they say they're rebuilt but what they do is they

put them on a bank backwards plug them in they activate some blows them out backwards they make

sure they flow test well without the screen and if they do they put new screens in them new o-rings

and package them up and and then they're you know refurbished okay all right sounds good would that

make the upstream and downstream oh two sensors mimic each other if they're both running really

lean it's a good indication that the car is actually lean if you've got one that's rich

and one that's lean it's usually one sensor that is failing they're both getting a lean signal but

one is failing thinking it's a little richer than it is so the computer says oh we're we're fine we

don't need to give it any more fuel so if you've got a down even a downstream sometime if that's

reading um telling the computer that things are really rich that it and then the other one might

show really lean so you know oxygen sensors on especially on a chrysler like that can really

throw things off and if they've got to a hundred thousand miles already they they may be failed

they wear out they're like a spark plug they only have so much time on them with the zirconium that's

in them and once it's used up it's they they get very slow and stop working is this would it be

sensical if he hasn't ever would you just if you're trying to if well if you're fighting a fuel

term issues and and it's got over a hundred thousand miles one of the first things that

we look at is the fuel injectors so i would say yeah i would i would check them all you could even

switch them from one bank to the another take all the driver's side put them on the passenger side

then you get a 174 exactly right i just remembered it earlier the hour he said he had a 171

and a 174 both banks wouldn't you think that'd be a one and two bank yeah and then i figured two

was was rich or two what are two and three well there's upstream there's downstream rich and there's

lean so it's a pretty good deductive listening and reasoning how about me huh yeah could you do it

tomorrow again no no i know where that goes yeah i knew that yesterday i just don't remember it

that's totally we'll call your show tomorrow morning hey uh chris doc i've got a question

uh i've got a po 174 and with a three six in that era don't ever underestimate to make sure you do a

leak down test and make sure all the valves are healthy and and uh you know make sure the engine

state of health is good why'd you have to say that just like because he owned one personal experience

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