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Don't Buy a Car This Memorial Day Until You Watch This | Episode 1077

Don't Buy a Car This Memorial Day Until You Watch This | Episode 1077

CarEdge Live May 22, 2026 32 min
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Memorial Day weekend car deals get put under the microscope: the hosts question whether savings are real, then walk through how to use CarEdge.com dealer reviews to find honest pricing. They explain how invoice-near offers, manufacturer money, and dealer add-ons shape what you pay—and why calling dealers matters. A live Seattle-area “dealer reviews” experiment flags add-ons and long days-on-lot, and they share a tactic: ask for the oldest inventory. They also analyze specific listings with invoice/MSRP, fees, and negotiation leverage.

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Concept

Memorial Day weekend dealership sales

"dealerships, typically Memorial Day weekends were pretty big weekends for dealerships... May was a good month because of Memorial Day. We shouldn't forget what Memorial Day is really all about, but let's face it, in the car business, they'll use any holiday as an excuse to have a sale."

Around big holidays like Memorial Day, car dealers often run special sales and ads to get more shoppers in the door. It’s a common seasonal marketing strategy in the U.S.

Concept

manufacturer incentives

"There were many incentives from the manufacturers. You could save some money and on top of that, there were hot dogs, hamburgers, potato chips, pretzels, and cold sodas."

Sometimes the car company helps pay part of the cost to make the deal cheaper. Those are “incentives,” and they can show up as rebates or special financing offers.

Topic

using invoice-based pricing to make holiday sales work

"Dad, really dig in here... I said, well, I know one way it won't work... So we tried it, and we had the biggest Memorial Day weekend in the history of the store... Our competitor... they had like a 10 car weekend. We had like almost a 40 car weekend... even the newspaper ad was a copy of an invoice, a legitimate invoice, so people could actually see what the dealership was charged."

They talk about a sales strategy where the dealer tries to keep the profit small (near what they paid) during a holiday weekend, and then see if it still brings enough sales. They also mention how the competitor did fewer cars that weekend.

Concept

invoice pricing (invoice plus $500 / invoice plus a couple percent)

"I said for Memorial Day weekend, why don't we do a special sale? I put together a proposal. I said, why don't we do invoice plus $500 on all the cars or invoice plus a couple percent, whatever the hell it was."

Dealers don’t always sell cars at the manufacturer’s “sticker” price. “Invoice” is basically what the dealer pays to get the car, and “invoice plus $500” means the dealer only adds a small extra amount on top.

Concept

dealer holdback

"makes, because we've discussed it a thousand times, if not more, that there's holdback, [313.8s] there's floor plan assistance, there's advertising assistance, there's fuel assistance,"

Holdback is extra money the car maker gives the dealer behind the scenes. It can influence whether the dealer can afford to discount the car more.

Concept

floor plan assistance

"[313.8s] there's floor plan assistance, there's advertising assistance, there's fuel assistance, [318.1s] there's a multitude of different ways that the manufacturer gives the dealer additional sums"

Floor plan assistance is help from the car maker to cover the cost of having cars sitting at the dealership. If that cost is lower, the dealer may be more flexible on pricing.

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advertising assistance

"[313.8s] there's floor plan assistance, there's advertising assistance, there's fuel assistance, [318.1s] there's a multitude of different ways that the manufacturer gives the dealer additional sums"

Advertising assistance is money from the car maker to help the dealer advertise. It can influence how deals are marketed and priced.

Concept

fuel assistance

"[313.8s] there's floor plan assistance, there's advertising assistance, there's fuel assistance, [318.1s] there's a multitude of different ways that the manufacturer gives the dealer additional sums"

Fuel assistance is extra money from the car maker to help cover some operating costs. It can indirectly affect what kind of deal a dealer is able to make.

Concept

dealer transparency index

"[412.2s] I think, perhaps, our dealer transparency index might help to some extent. [418.2s] It could. It could, but yeah."

A dealer transparency index is like a report card for how clearly a dealership explains pricing and the deal. Higher transparency usually means fewer surprises at the dealership.

Brand

Honda

"Okay. If you're [426.8s] looking at a Honda and there's four Honda dealers in your market area, you're going to have to compare [434.7s] what all four are advertising."

Honda is the car brand being used as an example. The takeaway is that you should compare offers from multiple Honda dealers, not just one.

Brand

Acura

"Maybe there's one that's being overly aggressive. We were the [443.4s] Acura store that was being overly aggressive. There are savings to be had. Then there's times"

Acura is a luxury car brand. The host is saying their Acura dealership was more aggressive with discounts than others.

Brand

AutoNation Ford of Bellevue

"I'm going to share with you this one, AutoNation Ford of Bellevue. A-rated dealers, that's fantastic... I'm actually going to show past. It looks like they put add-ons."

AutoNation Ford of Bellevue is a specific car dealership. The hosts are using it to show how you can spot potential deal issues like extra charges and slow-selling cars.

Term

add-ons

"It looks like they put add-ons. This is interesting... They put add-ons on the Ford Maverick. That's actually a little bit sketchy."

“Add-ons” are extra items a dealer tries to sell you on top of the car’s advertised price. They can raise the total cost, so it’s worth checking what’s included before you agree.

Car

Ford Maverick

"They put add-ons on the Ford Maverick. That's actually a little bit sketchy... You are here for 211 days. A Maverick for 444 days. Lots of Mavericks here, actually, which is fascinating."

The Ford Maverick is a small pickup truck. Here, they’re using it to show how long certain trucks can sit at a dealership before they sell.

Term

days on market

"What I'm interested in here is you have the inventory situation... I'll show you the days on market of the vehicles at this dealership."

“Days on market” means how many days a car has been listed for sale. If it’s been sitting for a long time, it can be a sign the price or deal isn’t very attractive.

Term

inventory

"What I'm interested in here is you have the inventory situation... You can see at this particular dealership, most of their inventory is over 180 days on the lot."

In dealership terms, “inventory” refers to the vehicles a dealer currently has listed for sale (new, used, and certified pre-owned). The hosts use inventory mix and volume to compare how aggressively a dealer is moving certain models.

Concept

pre-dealership pricing research

"I want to pull back up here because when you start to do this analysis before you even go to the dealership, you can pretty much hone in on who has the highest likelihood to engage with you and make a deal this Memorial Day."

They’re talking about researching dealerships before you ever go in. The goal is to find which ones are more motivated to sell, so you waste less time and can negotiate from a stronger position.

Car

Ford Explorer

"Let's take a peek at this right right here. This is on 2025 Explorer. Yeah, [757.7s] you can see here."

The Ford Explorer is a popular family SUV. Here, the hosts are using a 2025 Explorer example to show how dealers can tack on extra add-ons that may not be optional in practice.

Term

service contract

"they're adding SWAT service contract and MAC shield that you may or may not have asked for onto this vehicle."

A service contract is like an extra repair plan you buy with the car. It may cover some repairs later, but the details matter—what’s covered, what’s not, and how much it costs.

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MAC shield

"they're adding SWAT service contract and MAC shield that you may or may not have asked for onto this vehicle."

“MAC shield” sounds like an extra protection add-on the dealer is bundling in. You should check what it covers and whether it’s already covered by the car’s included warranties or other plans.

Term

employee pricing

"Is Ford employee pricing worth a big deal looking to get an XLT Ford F-150? We saw Ford come out with it."

Employee pricing is a lower price you can sometimes get through special programs that are meant for employees. The hosts are asking whether that kind of discount is the best deal during Memorial Day or if other times of year are better.

Car

Ford F-150 XLT

"And so back to the question about the Ford F-150 XLT, I think in a lot of cases, you can do better than employee pricing..."

The Ford F-150 XLT is a specific version of the Ford F-150 pickup truck. They’re using it as an example to show that the “deal” you see advertised might not be the best price you can actually get.

Company

E-Boards

"...especially if you find that aged one on a dealer's lot. And you see here, E-Boards saying four deals go $1,000 below employee pricing and incentives..."

E-Boards is mentioned as a place that tracks or reports car deals. They’re using it to support the idea that discounts can beat employee pricing.

Car

2026 Chevy Traverse RS

"What should my target discount be for a 2026 Chevy Traverse RS in the St. Louis metro? Okay."

The 2026 Chevy Traverse RS is a particular trim of the Chevy Traverse family SUV. They’re asking what discount you should aim for, so it’s about getting a good deal rather than just trusting advertising.

Concept

zip-code-based car search

"car search works off of zip codes. So I think we want, what was it, 63101? I guess that's going to get us into the St. Louis metro."

This is just how the search finds cars near you. Where you live affects which cars are available and how competitive the prices are.

Term

market day supply

"We'll look at this first one here. 123 days on the market. The market day supply is 90."

This is a way to measure how many cars are sitting around compared to how fast they’re selling. If there are lots of cars and sales are slow, dealers may be more willing to discount.

Term

days on the market

"We'll look at this first one here. 123 days on the market. The market day supply is 90."

This tells you how long the car has been advertised for sale. If it’s been sitting there a long time, it may be easier to negotiate the price.

Term

dealer invoice cost

"The dealer invoice cost was $56,110. The MSRP is $58,815. We give it a negotiation power score of 62 out of 100."

This is basically what the dealer pays the car company for the car. If a dealer is selling close to invoice, the discount is smaller; if it’s far below invoice, you’re getting a better deal.

Term

MSRP

"The dealer invoice cost was $56,110. The MSRP is $58,815. We give it a negotiation power score of 62 out of 100."

MSRP is the “list price” the manufacturer puts on the car. The actual price you pay can be higher or lower once discounts and rebates are involved.

Term

negotiation power score

"We give it a negotiation power score of 62 out of 100. And they've already discounted."

A negotiation power score is a data-driven metric used to estimate how much leverage a buyer has based on factors like inventory, pricing vs. invoice, and how quickly cars are moving. A higher score generally suggests the deal may be easier to improve.

Term

dealer discount

"And they've already discounted. The dealer discount is already $4,500. So that's the dealer discount."

A dealer discount is how much money off the dealer is offering. It’s one of the main things that determines whether the deal is good or not.

Term

rebates

"And then there are other rebates that you may qualify for."

Rebates are cash incentives from the car company that lower what you pay. Sometimes you have to qualify, and they can be added on top of other discounts.

Car

2026 Honda Pilot Elite

"Target discount on a 2026 Honda Pilot in the DC area. So, let's come here. Honda Pilot Elite. ... So, now we're over on the car search. Honda Pilot Elite."

The Honda Pilot is a family SUV with three rows of seats. “Elite” is the nicer, higher trim level, and they’re talking about what kind of discount you can realistically get on a 2026 one in the Washington, DC area.

Term

invoice price

"Look at the invoice price, Dad. There's $4,000 in profit."

Invoice price is basically what the dealer pays for the car to the manufacturer. If the selling price is close to invoice, the dealer isn’t making as much profit.

Term

days supply

"It's a brand new one. 28 days on the market. 39 days supply. Look at the invoice price, Dad."

Days supply is a measure of how long dealers’ inventory will last. If it’s low, cars are moving and discounts are harder to get; if it’s high, dealers may be more willing to deal.

Term

negotiation score

"All right. We're giving it a very low negotiation score because of the market dynamics. Yeah, limited leverage. The reason we're saying this, it's only been on the market for 28 days."

A negotiation score is a way to guess how easy it will be to get a good price. If the car is selling quickly and there aren’t many deals, the score will be low.

Term

processing fee

"Now they're listing their $995 process. Where are they located? Virginia."

A processing fee is an extra charge the dealer adds for handling the paperwork and preparing the sale. The hosts are checking whether that fee is unusually high compared to what’s typical.

Term

dock fee

"The average in Virginia, by the way, I just pulled up their transparency page is $875. So it is an expensive dock fee."

A dock fee is an extra charge for getting the car from where it was delivered to the dealership. In this segment, they’re saying it’s higher than average.

Term

lease

"We've got here from space as well. Yeah, 10% on the lease and reasonable. Lower trim will not get there."

A lease is like renting a car for a few years with monthly payments. They’re discussing trying to negotiate a discount on the lease terms, not just the purchase price.

Term

target discount

"what should my target discount be? Let us know in the chat."

A “target discount” just means the amount of money you want to save on the car. They’re asking what percentage off people should realistically try to get.

Car

2026 Acura MDX type S with the advanced package

"Okay, here's something. You're looking at here's the 2026 Acura MDX type S with the advanced package, 77.9."

The Acura MDX is a family SUV with three rows of seats. “Type S” is the sportier version, and the “advanced package” adds extra features—so they’re talking about a specific, fully-optioned MDX when discussing what discount to target.

Car

Acura NSX

"I think he could have bought an NSX for that. Okay. Granted, it only had two seats."

The Acura NSX is a high-performance sports car. The host is making a “back then vs now” comparison about pricing—basically saying the money mentioned for the SUV reminds him of what an NSX might have cost.

Term

AI agent

"we could also shop the dealer's life like with our AI agent."

An “AI agent” is like a smart helper program. In this context, they’re talking about using it to gather info about which cars people are interested in so they can do better deal analysis.

Term

dealer's life

"we could also shop the dealer's life like with our AI agent."

“Dealer’s life” is a casual way of talking about what a dealership is dealing with—like what cars customers are asking about. They’re suggesting using AI to learn those signals.

Car

2008 GMC Denali XT

"Yeah, wonderful. Thanks for this, Rich. Zach, you wanted to GM pick in honor of your visit. Yeah, it was so cool being at General Motors the other day. Like we should talk about that. Check out the 2008 GMC Denali XT."

The GMC Denali XT is a GMC concept vehicle from 2008 tied to the Denali luxury name. The hosts are basically talking about whether it ever turned into a real production car.

Car

2025 Mazda CX30

"Yeah, Dad, I also want to pull up this because I'm super proud of it. Does the girlfriend own a car? She does. There's two. There are three cars in the family, so to speak. I have my 2025 Mazda CX30."

The Mazda CX-30 is a small SUV/crossover from Mazda. In this story, it’s just one of the cars in the family.

Car

Mazda Cx5

"...ah. But your sister and brother-in-law have their CX5. My girlfriend drives the coolest car of all of t..."

The Mazda CX-5 is a small SUV made for daily driving. It’s designed to be practical for errands and family trips. The podcast mentions it because someone in the family has one and thinks it’s a standout choice.

Term

manual

"My girlfriend drives the coolest car of all of them. She drives a manual. Fiat Abarth. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Yeah. And she drives a manual."

A manual is a car where you shift gears yourself. You use the clutch and move the shifter, instead of the car changing gears automatically.

Car

Fiat Abarth

"My girlfriend drives the coolest car of all of them. She drives a manual. Fiat Abarth. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Yeah. And she drives a manual."

Abarth is the performance brand within Fiat. The hosts are excited because this Abarth is a manual, which makes it more engaging to drive.

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