Kenny Smith | Part 2 - mentoring Scott Dixon & iconic single seaters.
About this episode
Kenny Smith reflects on Formula 5000, calling it the cream of the cars he drove and describing just how dangerous they were. He shares stories about racing while following horse results, including backing horses with Roberto Moreno, and talks through success in Singapore, Penang and Malaysia. The conversation also covers his friendship with Bruce McClown, a heart scare that led to bypass surgery, and how he funded racing through years of hard work in car painting and car dealing.
Awarded a Member of the Order of the British Empire in the Queen’s Birthday Honours in 1987 for services to Motorsport Ken Smith wasn’t about to let that be a book end to his career. There was still so much more he wanted to do.
His eye for talent and the significant help he gave in the background to sure up the future of some modern day stars.
Working with Indycar great Scott Dixon, World Sportscar and Le Mans 24 hour winner Brendon Hartley, 4-time Bathurst winner Greg Murphy (in his early days) as well as Shane van Gisbergen and Liam Lawson.
Trading blows with Craig Baird and Paul Radisich as they climbed the ladder.
Reflections on the lovely constant for so much of his racing, his late Mother Dorothy.
And we’ll talk about the cool cars that surround us in the 5-time Gold Star winner’s workshop.
Plus the odd saloon car drive and much more.
The numbers seem hard to comprehend, 50 starts in the New Zealand Grand Prix, almost 70 years of continuous racing, success overseas in Asia as well as countless wins at home.
We don’t get to every podium or memories of every high or low but this is a well rounded summary of an incredible career so far and Ken Smith has no plans to hang up the helmet just yet.
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Formula 5000
"You lit up today just before we started recording when I began mentioning about Formula 5000s. You enjoyed that era, didn't you? ... when you hit anything, that bodywork's gone and you're sitting in less than six inches height from your hips when you're sitting in a tub."
Formula 5000 was a kind of race series with very powerful open-wheel cars. The cars were built to be light and fast, but they didn’t protect the driver much in a crash. That’s why people talk about it as a dangerous era.
Formula 5000 was a top-level open-wheel racing category (popular in the late 1960s/early 1970s) known for powerful engines and relatively simple, lightweight cars. Drivers sat very low in a tub-like cockpit, which made impacts particularly unforgiving. The cars’ exposed, minimal bodywork and low seating position are part of why the era is remembered as especially dangerous.
open-wheel racing cars with minimal crash protection
"Oh, 5000 is something special. The dangerous car, there's no doubt about that. I mean, when you look at them, they've got plenty of bodywork around them, but when you hit anything, that bodywork's gone and you're sitting in less than six inches height from your hips when you're sitting in a tub."
The speaker is describing how older race cars often had very little protective structure around the driver. If the car hit something, the outer parts could fail quickly. And because the driver sat very low in a tub, there was less “buffer” between them and the crash.
The transcript highlights a key safety concept in older open-wheel racing: minimal bodywork and a very low, tub-style cockpit. When the car hits something, the surrounding bodywork can be quickly compromised, leaving the driver extremely close to the impact zone. This helps explain why certain eras/categories earned reputations for being especially dangerous.
LOL
"And I'll tell you what, they fold up. That's why they used to call LOL the limp to them when guys used to crash."
“LOL” here is a nickname drivers used for Formula 5000 cars. It suggests that after a crash, the car might not be able to keep going like a normal race car. It’s basically a joke that points to how rough and unforgiving the cars were.
“LOL” is a nickname used in motorsport for Formula 5000 cars, referencing how they could “limp” after crashes. The idea is that, despite being race cars, they were often so exposed and fragile in impacts that they wouldn’t be able to continue normally. It’s a shorthand for the category’s harsh safety and durability realities.
limp
"And being small, our pedals were back 40 inches from the front, so we didn't get LOL the limp. Now, that's a car. I mean, the Atlantic car is the most fantastic car I've ever driven,"
“Limp” here means the car isn’t running or handling the way it should, so you can’t drive it confidently. It’s like the car is “holding you back,” and you want to avoid that.
In racing, a “limp” usually refers to a reduced-performance or compromised condition—often caused by damage, a mechanical issue, or a setup that makes the car difficult to drive. The speaker is contrasting their small pedal placement with avoiding that kind of compromised driving situation.
handicap racing
"And then I decided I wouldn't run again here because they started wanting to do handicap racing. And I just didn't fancy starting off a back of a grid with two or three sharp guys with you"
Handicap racing tries to make races more even by giving some drivers a head start or other advantages. That can make the race feel riskier because you may have to fight through traffic.
Handicap racing is a format where slower cars/drivers are given advantages (or faster ones are penalized) to tighten competition. In open-wheel racing, it can change how you start, manage risk, and choose overtaking opportunities—especially if you’re forced to run from the back.
starting off a back of a grid
"And I just didn't fancy starting off a back of a grid with two or three sharp guys with you and you've got 15 or so cars in front of you and some of them were five and six seconds of lap off the base."
If you start near the back, you have to pass a lot of cars quickly. That’s harder and riskier because everyone is fighting for position right away.
Starting from the back of the grid in single-seaters increases the odds of getting caught in dense traffic early in the race. That raises the risk of contact because you’re mixing with cars that are faster/slower by several seconds per lap, and the field compresses under braking and corner entry.
V8 supercar
"I mean, those cars, I had to be hit it, put the car in one of them on a V8 supercar. I remember vividly, yeah."
V8 Supercars are a popular kind of race car in Australia. The speaker is saying he’s had to deal with serious impacts in that kind of racing too.
“V8 Supercar” refers to the Australian touring-car racing category known for close, high-speed racing and heavy contact risk. The speaker is using it as a reference point for a crash/impact experience, contrasting it with the open-wheel cars he drove.
rear wing
"A rear wing, the guy forgot to bolt the one stay up on the rear wing and just twisted the wing and she went in hard over another car."
A rear wing is an aerodynamic device that generates downforce to improve grip and stability, especially in corners. If a wing stay isn’t properly bolted, the wing can twist or fail, drastically changing aero balance and increasing the chance of a severe crash.
horse races
"is a little nod to the fact that you like another kind of horsepower too, don't you? ... my father and I bought a racehorse"
They’re talking about horse racing, not cars. The point is that the same excitement people feel in car racing also shows up in horse racing.
The conversation shifts from cars to horse racing, using it as a parallel “horsepower” obsession. It’s a reminder that motorsport fans often share the same thrill-seeking mindset across different forms of racing.
Grand Prix Day
"She was running at Pukakawi in a very big race and it was Grand Prix Day. ... we're ready to line up for the Grand Prix."
They mention “Grand Prix Day,” meaning a big race-meeting day. The important part is that there are lots of events happening and the schedule can cause waiting and delays.
“Grand Prix Day” is referenced as a major event day at a track, with specific logistics like delays and lining up. In motorsport culture, Grand Prix days are typically high-activity race-meeting schedules where timing and procedures matter.
tote
"And we're parked on the other side of the Grand Prix track by the tote and Eric Mallard was running the Grand Prix association."
A “tote” is the betting system/board used at racecourses to display odds and manage wagers. It’s part of the on-site race-day experience and helps explain why they’re parked nearby while the event is running.
transistor radio
"And I had the transistor radio because the horse was running. And they said there'd be a three-minute delay at Alice Lee."
A transistor radio is a small portable radio, and here it’s used to follow race timing while waiting for delays. This highlights how people tracked live event updates before modern smartphones and live streaming.
qualifying
"This might have been qualifying... Then when I get back, they said, look, the practice only just started and they stopped it... Throw your gear on and get in."
Qualifying is the session where drivers set their fastest laps to determine starting positions. If qualifying is interrupted or delayed, drivers may have to make quick adjustments and still perform under time pressure.
pole
"...you still managed to pip David Oxton for pole. Is this true?... And in about four laps, I got it on pole."
“Pole” means you earned the best starting spot for the race. It usually comes from qualifying fastest, so you line up first and have an advantage right at the start.
“Pole” refers to starting first on the grid for the next session (usually qualifying). In racing, getting pole is a big deal because it gives you track position at the start, which can strongly influence race outcome.
Manfield Racing
"That we were at Manfield Racing and it was, we had a horse running at Arwood Pune..."
Manfield Racing is the race track where this story happened. Different tracks behave differently, so what’s going on with the track can change when practice/qualifying happens.
Manfield Racing refers to a motorsport venue Kenny Smith mentions as the location of the incident/story. Track-specific conditions (layout, grip, and safety decisions) can affect when sessions start/stop and how quickly drivers can adapt.
bourbons
"The horse got up and won and I had about three bourbons... I threw the gear on and got in with the bourbons."
The transcript uses “bourbons” as a humorous detail about having a few drinks before getting back in the car. While not a technical racing term, it’s a notable personal anecdote that contrasts with the seriousness of performance under pressure.
practice session stopped because of a problem in the track
"Then when I get back, they said, look, the practice only just started and they stopped it because it's a problem in the track. Throw your gear on and get in."
When officials stop a practice session due to a track problem, it changes the rhythm of preparation and can compress the time drivers have to learn conditions. It can also create a “restart” situation where drivers must quickly find pace and confidence.
New Zealand series
"[483.0s] might have been one of your own horses, I don't know. [485.0s] You both put some money on it. [486.8s] And that got to the point where I think he won enough money [489.2s] to continue with the rest of the New Zealand series. [492.4s] He did. He was funny."
In racing, a “series” is like a season made up of multiple races. Drivers earn points at each race to compete for the overall title.
A “series” in motorsport refers to a season of races with a points system, where drivers compete across multiple events. The speaker is describing how Moreno’s funding allowed him to enter enough races to keep competing in the New Zealand championship.
Phillip Island
"[516.9s] You mentioned about, you know, racing a bit overseas as well. [521.2s] I mean, I can immediately see a picture of Phillip Island where you've been there. [524.6s] But you had some success, Kenny, in Asia too, in Malaysia and all sorts of places."
Phillip Island is a well-known race track in Australia. Drivers mention it because it’s a real motorsport hotspot.
Phillip Island is a famous Australian racing circuit known for fast corners and high-speed flowing sections. It’s a common venue for major motorsport events, so it often comes up when drivers talk about overseas racing.
Singapore Grand Prix
"[524.6s] But you had some success, Kenny, in Asia too, in Malaysia and all sorts of places. [528.4s] Yeah, in 1970 we went and did the Singapore Grand Prix. [531.9s] And we had a crash with another driver, a Japanese guy, who, when he got a flag,"
The Singapore Grand Prix is a big Formula 1 race in Singapore. Because it’s run on city streets, it’s harder to drive than a normal track.
The Singapore Grand Prix is a Formula 1 race held on a street circuit in Singapore. It’s known for tight corners, heavy braking, and the challenges of racing on city streets.
collision damage before the next race
"So we collided and the car got damaged and it was only a week apart. So we had to work pretty frantically to get it going and going."
The segment describes a collision that damaged the car, followed by only about a week before the next race. That timing matters because it affects what can realistically be repaired (and how thoroughly), which can influence reliability and performance.
frantic repairs to get going
"So we collided and the car got damaged and it was only a week apart. So we had to work pretty frantically to get it going and going."
That means the team had to fix the car quickly after it got damaged. They were trying to make sure it could still run and race again soon.
“Working pretty frantically to get it going” describes the urgent, last-minute repair process after damage—common in earlier eras of racing when teams had less time and fewer resources. It highlights how quickly teams had to diagnose damage and restore drivability before the next event.
Panang Grand Prix
"And we went and did the Panang Grand Prix, further up, and won that. And ended up winning that three times a year later and again in 1979."
This is a race event in Penang. The host is talking about it because it’s where the driver competed and had success.
The Panang Grand Prix refers to a historic motorsport event held in Penang (often spelled “Panang” in older references). In the context of the story, it’s used to highlight where the driver competed and achieved wins.
mechanical issue
"I led it for a while and then had a mechanical issue."
This means something went wrong with the car. In a race, that kind of problem can stop you from staying in the lead.
A “mechanical issue” is a problem with the car’s hardware—like an engine, gearbox, cooling system, or suspension—that prevents it from performing reliably. In racing, even a brief failure can force a driver to slow down or retire.
Selangor Grand Prix
"And then we won the Selangor Grand Prix and the Malaysian Grand Prix, which Jackie Stewart was part of that year."
This was a race event in Malaysia (Selangor). The speaker brings it up because they won it as part of a successful stretch of racing.
The Selangor Grand Prix is a historic motorsport event associated with the Selangor region in Malaysia. In the segment, it’s part of a run of races the driver won, showing how successful the season was.
Malaysian Grand Prix
"And then we won the Selangor Grand Prix and the Malaysian Grand Prix, which Jackie Stewart was part of that year."
This is a major race in Malaysia. The story mentions Jackie Stewart to underline how big and important the event was.
The Malaysian Grand Prix refers to the major racing event in Malaysia. The transcript ties it to a notable year because Jackie Stewart was involved, emphasizing the prestige of the competition.
race paddock/workshop storage security
"So in Panang we parked the car and the guy said he can bring it in his workshop. And I said, do you lock this at night time? ... And he said, I kill him if I touch the car."
They’re describing where the race car was kept when not being driven, and how they worried about it being tampered with. The story shows they relied on the workshop person’s presence and strict rules to keep it safe.
The speaker talks about parking the car and whether it would be locked overnight, then describes a workshop arrangement with a strong deterrent against tampering. This reflects how teams managed car security and access between sessions—especially when cars were valuable and could be vulnerable off-track.
rally Jag
"he came out in 1960 and bought a 3.8 Jaguar out for his father, [707.4s] a rally Jag. [708.3s] It was a beautiful car"
A “rally Jag” means the Jaguar was treated like a rally car, not just a normal road car. Usually that means it was set up to handle rougher driving and be more reliable when pushed.
“Rally Jag” suggests the Jaguar was prepared or used with rally-style intent—typically meaning modifications for durability, traction, and reliability rather than just showroom comfort. In classic terms, it often implies a more spirited setup and sometimes period performance upgrades.
Bathurst win
"with Ross Stone and the Stone Brothers [747.8s] breakthrough Bathurst win. [749.8s] Family's in the car and you turned around"
Bathurst is a famous long-distance race in Australia. Winning at Bathurst usually means the team did a lot right—car reliability, good strategy, and strong driving over many hours.
The Bathurst 1000 is a major Australian endurance race, and a “Bathurst win” refers to winning that event. In motorsport, Bathurst wins are often used as a credibility marker because they require reliability, strategy, and driver skill over long stints.
supercars championships
"From how it all got started in New Zealand [772.0s] to conquering supercars championships [774.2s] with Marcos Ambrose and Russell Ingle."
Supercars is a big racing series in Australia. A “championship” means winning across many races during the season, not just one event.
“Supercars championships” refers to the Australian Supercars series, which is a touring-car style racing championship. It’s known for close racing, high performance V8-era cars (and newer powertrains), and a strong emphasis on racecraft across a full season.
angina pill
"But there is one story around your heart, and you might have taped an angina pill that you had to the side of the Formula Atlantic, and on the day in question..."
An angina pill is medicine for chest pain related to heart blood flow. The story is basically saying the driver had a heart-related issue but still kept racing.
An angina pill refers to medication used to treat angina, which is chest pain caused by reduced blood flow to the heart. In racing stories, it’s often mentioned to highlight how the driver managed a health issue while still competing.
Formula Atlantic
"...you might have taped an angina pill that you had to the side of the Formula Atlantic, and on the day in question, was it the last pill that you had at the time?"
Formula Atlantic is a type of open-wheel race series. It’s the kind of racing where drivers often build their skills before moving up to bigger categories.
Formula Atlantic is a North American open-wheel racing series (often a stepping stone for drivers) known for spec-like cars and close competition. Mentioning it gives context for the type of single-seat racing the story is about.
Amaru Park
"So we get to the last meeting, which... Where are you here? I think it was Amaru Park. Amaru Park, okay."
Amaru Park is the race track where this happened. Tracks can affect how hard cars are pushed and how likely mechanical problems are.
Amaru Park is a racing venue referenced as the location of the key incident in the story. Track-specific context matters in racing because layout and conditions can influence reliability and strategy.
engine failure
"...and so we had an engine failure in the car, and he didn't have another engine, then he remembered a customer's engine in the back of his truck..."
Engine failure means the engine couldn’t keep running. In a race, that usually ends your chances unless you can quickly fix or swap parts.
Engine failure means the engine stopped working properly enough to end or seriously compromise the run. In racing, it’s a major reliability event that can force last-minute substitutions or strategy changes.
starting off the back (start position strategy)
"I had to start off the back because I didn't qualify for the engine problem, and I said, I'll work my way through this pack, and I said, leave me to do it if we have to."
If you start near the back, you have more cars to pass. The plan is usually to drive carefully at first, then make your way through the field as the race settles.
Starting from the back of the grid is a common race strategy when qualifying goes wrong or a car has an issue. The idea is to manage traffic, pick off cars gradually, and avoid incidents while you work your way forward.
engine problem
"I had to start off the back because I didn't qualify for the engine problem, and I said, I'll work my way through this pack..."
An engine problem means something in the engine isn’t working right. If it happens before the race, it can ruin your starting position or end your race early.
An engine problem in qualifying or early race stages can force a driver to start from the back or even retire. In single-seater racing, engine issues often relate to reliability components (like valve timing or internal failures) that can’t be fixed quickly.
car tipped upside down (rollover)
"Graham and this guy came together, and Graham's car tipped upside down and went along an Armco fence, and I'll never forget that..."
Tipping upside down means the car rolled over. That’s a serious crash because it can damage the car’s structure and make it harder for the driver to stay safe.
A car tipping upside down indicates a rollover, which is one of the most dangerous crash modes in open-wheel racing. It often happens after contact or when the car rides up over another car or barrier, leading to loss of control and severe impacts.
Armco fence
"Graham's car tipped upside down and went along an Armco fence, and I'll never forget that, he had grazers on his crash at..."
An Armco fence is a heavy-duty metal barrier at the edge of the track. It’s designed to absorb crashes and keep cars from going into areas they shouldn’t.
Armco is a brand name for corrugated steel crash barriers used around racetracks. When a car hits an Armco barrier, it’s often a sign the impact was severe enough to leave the racing surface and contact the track’s safety system.
camshaft
"he had grazers on his crash at, and he also had no camshaft left in one side of the engine and the BDO engine."
The camshaft is like the engine’s timing controller for the valves. If it’s damaged or missing, the engine can’t breathe and run correctly, and it can cause major damage.
The camshaft controls the timing of the engine’s valves by opening and closing them at the right moments. In racing engines, losing a camshaft (or damaging it) can quickly turn into a catastrophic failure because valve timing is essential for power and reliability.
grazers
"and I'll never forget that, he had grazers on his crash at, and he also had no camshaft left in one side of the engine and the BDO engine."
“Grazers” here sounds like the scuffing/scraping damage from a crash. It usually means the car slid or rubbed along something hard.
In this context, “grazers” likely refers to the scraping/abrasion marks or damage caused when a car slides along a barrier or track surface. It’s a descriptive term for the kind of contact damage seen after a crash.
climbed up over another car and launched into the air
"the other car of the guy, it climbed up over his car and shot him away in the air, and ended up in a car park beside the track,"
Sometimes in a crash, one car can ride up onto another. When that happens, the other car can get lifted and thrown, which is why these collisions look so violent.
When one car climbs over another and the impacted car is launched, it usually involves a combination of contact geometry and vehicle dynamics (like ride height and how the front ends interact). This is a hallmark of high-energy open-wheel collisions where the cars can override each other.
race postponed
"...and of course, the race was postponed for four or five hours because the police came and everything..."
Sometimes a race gets delayed for safety reasons. When that happens, teams have to adjust how they warm up the car and manage everything before the restart.
When a race is postponed, the event schedule is paused and restarted later—often due to an incident, safety concern, or emergency response. In motorsport, delays can affect tire prep, car warm-up strategy, and driver routines.
dummy grid
"...and so they say right, we're gonna start this race, and I remember going out on the dummy grid, and the mechanic that was working on it..."
A “dummy grid” is basically a practice lineup. Teams park the cars in a grid-like setup so they can do start and setup checks before the real race begins.
A “dummy grid” is a staging area where cars are positioned for practice starts or pre-race procedures, before the official grid is used. It helps teams and drivers work through start-up routines and checks without committing to the real race lineup.
tape
"...I got the Pil, and I'd lick my finger and pull the tape back together, and I thought, holy shit, this is powder..."
Tape can be used as a temporary fix on a race car. If something is loose or damaged, teams may tape it up just to get through the next session safely.
Tape used on a race car is often a quick fix to hold or protect components temporarily—commonly for securing coverings, marking, or patching something that’s come loose. In a race context, it’s typically a short-term solution until the car can be properly addressed later.
powder
"...and I thought, holy shit, this is powder, so I've got a problem here..."
“Powder” here is just what he found when he opened the taped item. It made him realize there was a problem that needed attention.
“Powder” in this context sounds like a substance that was inside or associated with the taped item, and it caused the speaker to realize something was wrong. In racing stories, this kind of discovery often points to a mispackaged or contaminated component or material.
car dealing
"we were carponing for a number of years, and then decided we'd go car dealing, and that business was good, and"
Car dealing is basically a business where you buy cars and sell them for profit. Kenny’s point is that this business helped fund their racing.
“Car dealing” refers to buying and selling vehicles as a business. In this context, Kenny describes how the family shifted from another income source to car dealing to generate cash flow for motor racing.
carponing
"like we first started my father and I, we were carponing for a number of years, and then decided we'd go car dealing,"
“Carponing” sounds like car flipping—buying cars and selling them again for more money. Kenny is saying that was how they made the early cash for racing.
“Carponing” appears to be a slang term for flipping cars—buying vehicles and reselling them for profit. Kenny uses it to explain how his family built early funding before moving into car dealing and then getting sponsorship.
motor racing
"to go motor racing. And you know, it was never time off, and you just take a day off when you were going motor racing,"
Motor racing is competitive driving events. Kenny is describing how expensive and time-consuming it is, so they kept working and only took time off when racing required it.
Motor racing is the umbrella term for competitive track or motorsport events, which typically require significant logistics and ongoing spending. Kenny emphasizes the lifestyle tradeoff—working constantly and treating racing as the goal rather than a break from work.
self-funded
"And so it was self-funded until later on when we got some sponsorship to help some different companies."
Self-funded just means they paid for racing themselves, using money they earned from their own work. That usually means working a lot and saving up until sponsorship or outside help arrives.
“Self-funded” means Kenny and his father paid for their racing efforts using their own business income rather than relying on outside investors or major backers. In motorsport, this often requires long hours and careful budgeting because racing costs add up quickly.
sponsorship
"until later on when we got some sponsorship to help some different companies."
Sponsorship is when companies help pay for racing. Instead of the team paying everything themselves, sponsors chip in—often in exchange for branding and visibility.
Sponsorship is financial or in-kind support from companies to help fund racing teams. It’s a common step in motorsport careers: early on you may pay your own way, then sponsorship helps cover costs like travel, parts, and team operations.
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