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This Car Business UGLY Secret Just GOT EXPOSED | Episode 1085

This Car Business UGLY Secret Just GOT EXPOSED | Episode 1085

CarEdge Live Jun 08, 2026 30 min
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About this episode

Leasing and dealer pricing get a spotlight as CarEdge Live discusses alleged Nissan lease buyout overcharge schemes tied to 2020–2022 shortages. Hosts explain how residual value sets the buyout price, then argue dealers allegedly add or reclassify fees on top—sometimes charging for CPO inspections, extended warranties, and even recall-related repairs. They connect it to broader “bait and switch” advertised pricing, share consumer examples, and offer tactics: read the lease line-by-line and ask, “Where is it written?”

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Company

Nissan

"Now, the beginning of today's show and what we're going to focus on... is one of the biggest ugly secrets in the car business that just got exposed. Now, Dad, automotive news has the headline Nissan to audit New York dealers ensure refunds for lease buyout overcharges."

Nissan is the car company involved in this situation. The discussion is about whether some Nissan dealers charged lease customers too much when they tried to buy out their leases.

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Concept

lease overcharge schemes

"Attorney General James secures refunds for all New Yorkers cheated by Nissan dealerships lease overcharge schemes. Dad, help us understand here, what is the big secret?"

This phrase means some dealers may have been charging lease customers extra money that they weren’t supposed to pay. In this story, it’s tied to what people were charged when buying out their leases.

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Term

residual values

"Well, the story is, and this was particularly from 2020 to 2022, when leases were worth much more than their residual values because of the new car shortage and the used car shortage, and people decided that it made more sense to buy out their lease at the end of its lease term..."

When you lease a car, the contract usually sets a future value for the car at the end of the lease. That number is called the residual value, and it affects how much you’d pay if you want to buy the car later.

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Concept

lease buyout

"...because of the new car shortage and the used car shortage, and people decided that it made more sense to buy out their lease at the end of its lease term, because traditionally, when it came to leasing, you have three options at the end of the lease."

A lease buyout is when you decide to keep the leased car instead of returning it. You pay a set amount from your lease agreement to buy it at the end.

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disposition fee

"walk away from it and pay a disposition fee, or you can buy it through most lease companies [164.6s] at the agreed upon residual value"

When you lease a car and then return it, the company may charge a disposition fee. Think of it as an extra “return paperwork/processing” charge on top of taxes and registration.

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Term

lease agreement

"residual value, which is listed on the original lease agreement. [172.3s] And that is the only thing that you're supposed to be charged for other than state title, [180.8s] registration fees"

A lease agreement is the paperwork that lays out the rules of your lease. It includes things like how long you lease the car, how many miles you can drive, and the buyout price.

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Concept

contract to rent a vehicle

"Elise, most everyone in our community probably knows what Elise is, but let's explain [205.2s] Elise is a contract to rent a vehicle for a period of time. [211.9s] And there is a company"

A lease is basically a long-term rental agreement. You pay to use the car for a set time, and the contract sets limits like miles, plus an option to buy it later.

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Car

Lotus Elise

"... to take a step back. I want to take a step back. Elise, most everyone in our community probably knows wh..."

The Lotus Elise is a small two-seat sports car made for driving enjoyment. It’s designed to be light and quick to respond when you steer. People mention it because it focuses more on handling than on being a big, comfortable car.

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Term

miles

"the lease term is both by time and miles. [225.9s] How many miles you're going to [231.1s] drive the vehicle up to and how much time is going to pass"

Leases usually limit how many miles you can drive. If you drive more than the allowance, it can change what you owe at the end, and the allowance also affects the monthly price.

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Term

lease term

"at the [220.4s] end of that lease term, the lease term is both by time and miles. [225.9s] drive the vehicle up to and how much time is going to pass, typically 36 months"

The lease term is simply how long you have the car under the lease. The host mentions common lengths like 24, 36, or 48 months.

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Term

MSRP

"And X happens to be the residual value that was based on a percentage of the original MSRP."

MSRP is the car’s sticker price set by the manufacturer. Lease deals often use it to calculate the car’s expected end-of-lease value.

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Brand

MINI

"When we used to do it at BMW and MINI, we couldn't make anything other than we could we could charge our processing fee"

MINI is a car brand (part of BMW Group). It’s mentioned because the speaker is talking about how dealers handle lease buyouts and what fees they can charge.

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Brand

BMW

"When we used to do it at BMW and MINI, we couldn't make anything other than we could we could charge our processing fee"

BMW is a car brand. In this part of the discussion, it’s mentioned because the speaker is explaining how lease deals work from a dealer’s perspective.

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Term

processing fee

"When we used to do it at BMW and MINI, we couldn't make anything other than we could we could charge our processing fee, which was at that time, it was either $1.99 or $3.99."

A processing fee is an extra charge the dealer adds for handling the paperwork. The point here is that it’s one of the few areas where the dealer can make money when the vehicle price is fixed by the lease contract.

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Term

state registration fees

"And you don't make any money when you charge and collect the state registration fees, because you have to get a new title for the vehicle."

These are fees the government charges to register the car. The dealer may collect them, but the money generally goes to the state rather than being dealer profit.

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Term

front end

"for those of you that are unfamiliar with front end back end, front end is the selling price of the vehicle, back end is how does the customer choose to finance or purchase it?"

Dealers use “front end” to mean the part of the deal that’s basically the car’s price. If there’s money to be made, it’s usually in how the price and fees are set up.

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back end

"for those of you that are unfamiliar with front end back end, front end is the selling price of the vehicle, back end is how does the customer choose to finance or purchase it?"

“Back end” is the part of the deal that’s about how you pay—like financing or other payment options. Dealers often earn money from the payment setup, not just the car’s price.

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Term

CPO

"Many investigated dealerships responded to these incentives by charging consumers $399 for the CPO inspection and extended warranty, despite Nissan Motor Acceptance Corporation's instructions not to."

CPO means “Certified Pre-Owned.” It’s supposed to be a used car that’s been inspected and comes with extra coverage. The segment alleges some dealers charged for CPO items in ways they weren’t supposed to.

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extended warranty

"Many investigated dealerships responded to these incentives by charging consumers $399 for the CPO inspection and extended warranty, despite Nissan Motor Acceptance Corporation's instructions not to."

An extended warranty is extra protection after the factory warranty ends. The host is saying some dealers added charges for it even when they weren’t supposed to.

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final safety recall

"Still other customers were charged as much as $3,200 for repairs necessary to implement the final safety recall."

A safety recall is when a car maker requires a fix because of a safety problem. The segment alleges some dealers charged customers a lot of money for doing the recall repair.

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Term

predefined one price

"The reason lease buyouts have a case here is because they have a signed contract with the lease company that says there's the predefined one price that you can pay to buy."

This means your lease paperwork already lists the exact buyout price. If a dealer tries to charge more than that, it can be unfair or even against what the contract allows.

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Place

state of New York

"The state of New York, the AG could be going after every brand in New York. Maybe they are. Maybe they will be."

They’re talking about New York as the place where this could be investigated. Different states can enforce consumer protection rules differently.

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Person

Jeff Wines

"And listen, we know because we did some stories with Jeff Wines here from Fort Lauderdale, Florida about what was going on down there at Volkswagen dealers"

Jeff Wines is mentioned as someone who helped provide stories about what dealers were doing. The host is using that as evidence for the broader claim.

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Place

Fort Lauderdale, Florida

"we know because we did some stories with Jeff Wines here from Fort Lauderdale, Florida about what was going on down there at Volkswagen dealers"

Fort Lauderdale, Florida is where the host says they heard about the dealer charging issue. It’s an example of the problem happening in other places too.

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Company

Volkswagen dealers

"we know because we did some stories with Jeff Wines here from Fort Lauderdale, Florida about what was going on down there at Volkswagen dealers in particular when it came to what they were charging customers"

They mention Volkswagen dealers as another example. The discussion is about what dealers were charging customers under lease terms.

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Term

title

"There has to be a new title issued on the vehicle. So there's certain fees that you can't get away from."

A title is the legal paperwork that shows who owns the car. When ownership changes or the car is registered, the state may require a new title and charge fees for it.

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Term

lease contract

"Let's go line by line on the lease contract because we can go line by line and you ain't going to find that anywhere."

A lease contract is the paperwork that lists what you have to pay and what the dealer or leasing company is allowed to charge you. The point here is: if a fee isn’t written in the contract, the customer shouldn’t be forced to pay it.

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certified inspection fee

"But if a dealer says, no, there has to be a certified inspection fee. Show me where it says that."

This is a fee a dealer might charge for an official inspection of the car. The host’s argument is that you shouldn’t be charged for it unless it’s actually required and properly documented.

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state inspection

"Now, if it is a state that has a state inspection that is required because it's a pre-owned car, well, then you can do the state inspection."

A state inspection is an official check to make sure a car is safe and legal to drive. The host is saying paying for the inspection doesn’t automatically mean you must do every repair unless it’s required by the rules or the contract.

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Term

buyer's order

"If it is a taxable fee that's showing up on your buyer's order, it's negotiable."

A buyer’s order is the form that shows the final deal details and all the charges. The point being made is that fees listed there can be negotiated rather than assumed to be fixed.

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Term

Freedom Information Act request

"The CDG team did a Freedom Information Act request to the Federal Trade Commission to get 200 entries from them that they could actually do an analysis on."

A FOIA request is a way to ask the government for records. In this case, they used it to get complaint information so they could study patterns in dealer behavior.

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Company

Federal Trade Commission

"The CDG team did a Freedom Information Act request to the Federal Trade Commission to get 200 entries from them that they could actually do an analysis on."

The FTC is a U.S. agency that helps protect consumers from unfair or misleading business practices. The host mentions it because complaints about dealers were tied to the FTC’s records.

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Car

BMW 330i X-Drive

"I called about a 2020 BMW 330i X-Drive listed for sale for $26,549. They confirmed it was still available. I went into test drive."

This is a BMW 3 Series sedan with all-wheel drive. The host brings it up because the advertised price jumped after the buyer started the buying process, with extra fees added.

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Term

test drive

"I went into test drive. I was ready to purchase the price of the sale. Changed to $38,000."

A test drive is when you go drive the car before buying it. Here it matters because the price and fees changed after the buyer already went through that step.

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false advertising

"They added in nearly $12,000 worth of fees that were not optional packages created or removed. This is false advertising."

False advertising means the ad doesn’t match what you actually get. Here, the host is saying the dealer’s advertised price and terms didn’t line up with the final deal.

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advertising and price mismatches

"You can see here 79 of the submissions were for used car-related things. Advertising and price mismatches dominated the issue types of 164."

Advertising and price mismatches describe situations where the advertised price or deal terms don’t match what the customer is quoted or charged later. In this segment, it’s presented as a dominant issue type in consumer complaints.

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ceramic coating

"One consumer drove 96 miles to find the price had jumped more than $10,000, $799 for ceramic coating that was never applied."

Ceramic coating is a protective product that’s supposed to be applied to the car’s paint. The host’s example says the buyer was charged for it, but it wasn’t actually done.

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Term

bait and switch advertising

"[1223.5s] ago, 50 years ago, and they'll be the exact same as they are today. It is not as if we didn't know [1223.5s] that bait and switch advertising was going on all the time, that advertised prices were not the [1230.1s] price that you could actually buy the vehicles for, because every member of the, of the FTC has"

It means a company advertises a deal to get you to show up, but then the real deal isn’t actually available. With car dealers, the “cheap” price may disappear once you’re ready to buy.

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Concept

freedom of information request

"[1332.1s] So that's the other piece to this, but CDG, and I will pull back in the state of New York, [1336.8s] we don't have names named. You know, you can do this freedom of information request. Actually, [1340.8s] you don't know what the dealerships are. They give you locations, things like that."

A freedom of information request is a legal process that lets the public ask government agencies for records. In this context, the host says it can reveal dealership-related information (like locations) without necessarily naming specific dealers in the agreement.

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Person

Andre Medeiros

"[1362.2s] dealers actually named in this agreement. This agreement was signed, yeah, January 1st by Nissan [1368.0s] Motor Acceptance Company, you know, Andre Medeiros, the vice president of operations. He's the [1373.6s] individual entering into this agreement with the attorney general for the state of New York."

Andre Medeiros is a named executive tied to the Nissan finance company mentioned in the segment. The host is saying he was the person who signed/entered the agreement on the company’s side.

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Term

dealer ratings and reviews

"So that's why I bring up the dealer ratings and reviews. Most dealerships get an A grade for transparency from courage."

Dealer ratings and reviews are scores and comments from customers about how a car dealership behaves. The hosts are using them to help you figure out which dealerships are honest and which ones aren’t.

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Term

FTC

"with their Freedom of Information Request Act from the FTC."

The FTC is a U.S. consumer-protection agency. The hosts mention it because it can investigate or enforce rules that affect how dealerships market and sell cars.

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Term

add-ons

"Finding a Washington Honda, for example, dad, who's one of the good guys because there are no add-ons. The price you see is the price you get."

Add-ons are extra items a dealership tries to tack onto the deal, like add-on packages or extra fees. The point here is that some dealers add them and others don’t.

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Brand

Washington Honda

"Finding a Washington Honda, for example, dad, who's one of the good guys because there are no add-ons."

Washington Honda is a specific Honda dealership. The host is praising it because they say it doesn’t try to add extra charges on top of the price.

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