What to tow with; Angeles Forest crash map; Why Auctions seem High
About this episode
Exploring the nuances of towing, the hosts discuss their upcoming trailer acquisition and what vehicle will best suit their needs. They delve into crash statistics on Angeles Crest Highway, debating whether the issues stem from enthusiasts or commuters. The conversation also touches on the current auction market, questioning if high prices are driven by wealth or illicit activities. With humorous anecdotes and personal stories, the episode combines practical advice with engaging banter.
Patreon questions include:
Will our next car be a depreciated classic or a lease?
Thoughts on the Capricorn Zagato
WHY do cars have screens if no one likes them?
What's really behind auction prices?
Sports cars for someone TALL
Is a 997 911 S worth it over a 987 Cayman S?
When we stole our parents' cars
What car would we bring back to 1902?
Should license plate covers be illegal?
Why doesn't the Countach have rims?
The next car we will buy
Thoughts on the Volvo plug-in hybrids
How is Nissan going to pull it off?
Reliable 2+2 for under $20k
Build a rally car or buy a crossover
And more!
Recorded February 4, 2026
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Brian James Trailers
"...we're getting this a race sport trailer which is a fucking sick. That's it right there. The enclosed trailer. That's a sweet rig. We're getting that thing..."
Brian James Trailers makes trailers that are used to transport cars, especially for racing. They are known for their good quality and special features that make it easier to load and unload vehicles.
Brian James Trailers is a manufacturer known for producing high-quality trailers, including those designed for motorsport and car transport. Their products often feature innovative designs to facilitate loading and unloading vehicles safely and efficiently.
Land Rover Discovery
"... distribute in America. They're towing it with a discovery in this one they're trying towing an Audi R8 wit..."
The Land Rover Discovery is a big SUV that can go off-road and is also comfortable for families. It's popular for its ability to drive in tough conditions while keeping everyone inside happy.
The Land Rover Discovery is a versatile SUV known for its off-road capabilities and spacious interior. It is often discussed for its ability to handle rugged terrains while providing comfort for passengers.
Audi R8
"...towing an Audi R8 with a discovery and if they can do that then we certainly don't need much..."
The Audi R8 is a fancy sports car that looks really cool and goes super fast. It's designed for performance and has a powerful engine, making it popular among car enthusiasts.
The Audi R8 is a high-performance sports car known for its sleek design and powerful engine. It features a mid-engine layout and is available in both coupe and convertible forms.
Ford F-350
"...The American way is you get an F 350. Oh yeah. And you tow two motorcycles. So you..."
The Ford F-350 is a big truck designed to carry heavy loads and tow trailers, often used for work or outdoor activities.
The Ford F-350 is a heavy-duty pickup truck known for its towing capacity and ruggedness, making it popular for work and recreational purposes.
Cummins
"...she's like I only tow with the Cummins. She's like I've had I have this many..."
Cummins is a company that makes strong diesel engines, which are often used in big trucks to help them pull heavy things like trailers.
Cummins is a brand known for its diesel engines, often used in heavy-duty trucks for their durability and power, particularly in towing applications.
Dodge 3500
"...she goes my primary is a Dodge thirty five hundred. Excuse me. Dodge fifty five hundred towed her home with a horse trailer. Wow. It's 60 feet long..."
The Dodge 3500 is a big truck designed to carry heavy things, like trailers. It's built to handle tough jobs and is often used for towing.
The Dodge 3500 is a heavy-duty pickup truck known for its towing capacity and durability, often used for hauling large loads such as trailers or heavy equipment.
horse trailer
"...Dodge fifty five hundred towed her home with a horse trailer. Wow. It's 60 feet long and she drives that motherfucker full of horses up and down that road..."
A horse trailer is a type of trailer made to carry horses. It has special features to keep the horses safe and comfortable while being transported.
A horse trailer is a specialized trailer designed to transport horses safely and comfortably, often equipped with features for their care during transport.
Chevrolet Malibu
"...ke one of the three or four tightest roads in the Malibu canyons. Yeah. If you ask me to drive this up th..."
The Chevrolet Malibu is a regular car that many people use for everyday driving. It's comfortable and good on gas, making it a smart choice for families.
The Chevrolet Malibu is a midsize sedan known for its comfort, practicality, and fuel efficiency. It has been a popular choice for families and commuters due to its balanced performance and spacious interior.
diesel
"...you should still get a diesel. I kind of I mean I always think having more tow than you need is nice..."
A diesel engine is a type of engine that runs on diesel fuel. It's often used in trucks because it can pull heavy loads better than regular gasoline engines.
Diesel engines are known for their torque and fuel efficiency, making them ideal for towing heavy loads. They provide more power at lower RPMs compared to gasoline engines, which is beneficial when pulling trailers or heavy vehicles.
Ford Maverick
"...like I was like kind of Maverick tow this fucking thing or like is it a Ranger. Like what is the like pretty much what is the most the minimum vehicle I need to be able to like tow this thing. Ford Maverick max towing is 4,000 pounds..."
The Ford Maverick is a small truck that is good for city driving and can also carry things or tow small loads. It's designed to be practical and easy to handle.
The Ford Maverick is a compact pickup truck that offers versatility and efficiency. It is designed for urban driving while still providing utility for light towing and hauling.
towing capacity
"...like I was like kind of Maverick tow this fucking thing or like is it a Ranger. Like what is the like pretty much what is the most the minimum vehicle I need to be able to like tow this thing..."
Towing capacity is how much weight a vehicle can pull behind it, like a trailer or a boat. It's important to know so you don't overload the vehicle and cause problems.
Towing capacity refers to the maximum weight that a vehicle can safely tow. It is an important specification for trucks and SUVs that are used for hauling trailers or other loads.
Ford Ranger
"... Maverick tow this fucking thing or like is it a Ranger. Like what is the like pretty much what is the mo..."
The Ford Ranger is a smaller truck that can carry things in its bed and drive off-road. It's popular because it's strong enough for tough jobs but still easy to handle.
The Ford Ranger is a midsize pickup truck known for its versatility and off-road capabilities. It has gained popularity for its balance of size, power, and efficiency, making it a practical choice for both work and leisure.
Maserati GT2 Stradale
"...the Maserati is sending the GT2 Stradale, which I know you got to have a go in. Yeah, right. Yep. You liked it mostly, right?"
The Maserati GT2 Stradale is a fast sports car made for racing. It has special features that help it perform better on the track compared to regular models.
The Maserati GT2 Stradale is a high-performance variant of the Maserati MC20, designed for track use with enhanced aerodynamics and power. It showcases Maserati's commitment to blending luxury with racing capabilities.
MC20
"...the regular MC20, I think gets you 90% of the way to the what the stradale gets. And the experience I had there..."
The Maserati MC20 is a luxury sports car that is fast and has a powerful engine. It's known for being stylish and fun to drive, making it a popular choice among car enthusiasts.
The Maserati MC20 is a mid-engine sports car that combines luxury with high performance, featuring a twin-turbocharged V6 engine and advanced technology. It serves as the base model from which the GT2 Stradale is derived.
Dodge Charger
"...I booked a Dodge Charger six pack for the for the road and track event in the desert in April. I was like, we could do a little vanishing point vibe..."
The Dodge Charger is a big car that looks sporty and has strong engines. It's often seen as a fun car to drive, especially for long trips.
The Dodge Charger is a full-size sedan known for its powerful engine options and muscular styling. It's popular among car enthusiasts for its performance and retro design cues that pay homage to classic muscle cars.
Dodge Hellcat
"The last one I drove was like, you know, one of the old Hellcats. Oh, yeah, like a manual and stuff."
The Dodge Hellcat is a very powerful car made by Dodge. It's known for being fast and having a strong engine that makes it exciting to drive.
The Dodge Hellcat is a high-performance variant of the Dodge Challenger and Charger, known for its powerful supercharged V8 engine, delivering exceptional horsepower and torque.
Toyota Supra
"...t have any fun doing that. It's like an America's Supra now. Right. Because it's in line six, isn't it? ..."
The Toyota Supra is a fast sports car that many people love for its looks and how well it drives. It's known for being fun to drive and has a strong following among car enthusiasts.
The Toyota Supra is a sports car that has become iconic for its performance and tuning potential, particularly with its inline-six engine. It is often discussed for its blend of speed, style, and the nostalgia associated with its earlier models.
inline six
"It's like an America's Supra now. Right. Because it's in line six, isn't it?"
An inline six engine has six cylinders lined up in a row. This setup makes the engine run smoothly and is often used in performance cars.
An inline six engine is a type of engine configuration where six cylinders are arranged in a straight line. This design is known for its smooth operation and good balance.
horsepower
"Yeah. Yeah. That's 550 horsepower."
Horsepower is a way to measure how powerful an engine is. More horsepower usually means the car can go faster.
Horsepower is a unit of measurement for power, commonly used to describe the power output of engines. More horsepower typically means better performance.
three liter
"it. It is a three liter. It's a three liter, right? They could call it the three J. That would be fucking that would be so trolley and fun."
A 'three liter' engine is one that has a total cylinder volume of three liters. Bigger engines usually produce more power because they can burn more fuel and air.
The term 'three liter' refers to the engine displacement, indicating the total volume of all the cylinders in the engine. A larger displacement typically allows for more air and fuel to be burned, which can lead to increased power output.
Stafford Motor Speedway
"...race with cletus in Connecticut in July, Stafford Stafford Motor Speedway, Crown Vic race, the smoking tire."
Stafford Motor Speedway is a famous racetrack in Connecticut where cars race against each other. It's a popular spot for racing events.
Stafford Motor Speedway is a renowned oval racetrack located in Stafford Springs, Connecticut. It hosts various racing events, including stock car racing, and is popular among local racing enthusiasts.
Crown Vic
"...race with cletus in Connecticut in July, Stafford Stafford Motor Speedway, Crown Vic race, the smoking tire."
The 'Crown Vic' is a type of car made by Ford, often used by police and taxis. It's known for being tough and reliable.
The 'Crown Vic' refers to the Ford Crown Victoria, a full-size sedan that was popular among police departments and taxi services. Known for its durability and rear-wheel-drive layout, it has a strong following among car enthusiasts.
Crown Victoria
"...you have an extensive Crown Vic experience. Well, it depends on what year..."
The Crown Victoria is a large car often used by police and taxi services. It's known for being tough and having a lot of space inside.
The Ford Crown Victoria is a full-size sedan that was widely used as a police car and taxi in the United States. It is known for its durability and spacious interior, making it a popular choice for fleet vehicles.
Grenadier
"...to permanently disable ADAS on a Grenadier. Is that true? That is true. And then I saw other comments that said it's not available in the 2026..."
The Grenadier is a tough off-road vehicle made by Ineos. It's built for driving in rough places and is designed to be very durable and practical.
The Ineos Grenadier is a rugged off-road vehicle designed for tough terrains, inspired by classic utilitarian vehicles. It focuses on durability and functionality, making it suitable for adventurous driving.
ADAS
"...that allows you to permanently disable ADAS on a Grenadier. Is that true? That is true. And then I saw other comments that said it's not available in the 2026..."
ADAS means Advanced Driver Assistance Systems. These are features in cars that help drivers stay safe, like automatic braking or keeping the car in its lane.
ADAS stands for Advanced Driver Assistance Systems, which are technologies designed to enhance vehicle safety and facilitate driving. These systems include features like adaptive cruise control, lane-keeping assist, and automatic emergency braking.
Ford Mustang
"I was looking on actually the website where I got the fabric for the Mustang back in the day. I found some some bangers, nice, some real bangers."
The Mustang is a well-known car made by Ford. It's famous for being fast and sporty, and many people love it for its design and performance.
The Ford Mustang is a classic American muscle car known for its performance and iconic design. It has a rich history and remains popular among car enthusiasts.
Chevrolet Corvette
"...eat other people have. Remember, I did it with a Corvette like back in the day and it looked it looked gre..."
The Chevrolet Corvette is a cool sports car that many people admire for how fast it can go and how it looks. It's often seen as a symbol of American muscle cars.
The Chevrolet Corvette is a classic American sports car recognized for its performance, sleek design, and affordability compared to European rivals. It has a rich history and is often celebrated for its powerful engines and track capabilities.
Mazda MX-5 Miata
"Think Wrangler, Samurai or a Miata. Gay men, nice convertibles, Lexus, Mercedes, Miata."
The Miata is a small, two-seat sports car that's fun to drive. It's known for being light and agile, making it a favorite among driving enthusiasts.
The Mazda MX-5 Miata is a lightweight two-seater roadster known for its sporty handling and fun driving experience. It has a reputation for being an affordable sports car.
Suzuki Samurai
"..., always something boxy or cute. Think Wrangler, Samurai or a Miata. Gay men, nice convertibles, Lexus, M..."
The Suzuki Samurai is a small SUV that is great for off-roading and has a simple, boxy shape. It's loved by some people for its toughness and ability to handle rough trails.
The Suzuki Samurai is a compact SUV known for its off-road capabilities and simple design. It has gained a cult following among enthusiasts who appreciate its ruggedness and lightweight construction.
Jeep Wrangler
"Think Wrangler, Samurai or a Miata."
The Wrangler is a type of Jeep that is built for off-roading and outdoor adventures. It's known for its strong build and ability to handle tough terrains.
The Jeep Wrangler is a compact and mid-size four-wheel drive off-road vehicle known for its rugged design and off-road capabilities. It's often favored for its versatility and adventurous spirit.
Lexus
"Gay men, nice convertibles, Lexus, Mercedes, Miata. It's not about going fast."
Lexus is a brand of luxury cars made by Toyota. They are known for being comfortable and high-quality vehicles.
Lexus is the luxury vehicle division of the Japanese automaker Toyota, known for its reliability, luxury features, and smooth ride. It has a strong reputation in the luxury car market.
Mazda Cx5S
"...zero personal data. In addition, Mazda three and CX5s across the entire community. Common in every cat..."
The Mazda CX-5 is a small SUV that is stylish and easy to drive. It's great for families because it has plenty of space and gets good gas mileage.
The Mazda CX-5 is a compact SUV that combines style, practicality, and engaging driving dynamics. It is often praised for its upscale interior and fuel efficiency, making it a popular choice among families.
Mercedes-Benz SL
"...ing. Good to know. Yeah. Get yourself a Mercedes SL. That's where you really want to be."
The Mercedes-Benz SL is a fancy convertible car that looks great and drives really well. It's a luxury car that many people dream of owning for its style and comfort.
The Mercedes-Benz SL is a luxury convertible known for its performance and elegant design. It combines sporty driving with high-end features, making it a desirable choice for those seeking a premium driving experience.
Toyota Corolla
"...people with in a old Corolla passing someone in an old..."
The Toyota Corolla is a small car that's very popular because it's dependable and gets good gas mileage.
The Toyota Corolla is a compact car known for its reliability and fuel efficiency, making it one of the best-selling cars worldwide.
Toyota Camry
"...in an old Camry double yellow like into apex..."
The Toyota Camry is a slightly larger car than the Corolla, known for being comfortable and lasting a long time.
The Toyota Camry is a midsize sedan known for its comfort, reliability, and strong resale value, often favored by families and commuters.
electric cars
"Well, it's kind of when people and as electric cars got faster and faster and you can buy a thousand horsepower at a dealership and we go, oh, is this going to cause more and more accidents?"
Electric cars are cars that run on electricity instead of gasoline. They can be very fast and powerful, which raises questions about safety on the roads.
Electric cars are vehicles powered entirely or partially by electric energy, often featuring advanced technology and performance capabilities. As they become more powerful, concerns about safety and accidents have increased due to their rapid acceleration and high horsepower.
BMW X5
"...at four miles per gallon. Well, and I would like X5 diesel. That would be more."
The BMW X5 is a fancy SUV that has a lot of space inside and drives really well. People like it for its comfort and high-tech features.
The BMW X5 is a luxury midsize SUV that combines performance with practicality, offering a spacious interior and advanced technology. It's often discussed for its driving dynamics and premium features.
Porsche Cayenne
"What is the toe rating on a cayenne hybrid, like a V6 cayenne hybrid? That that could be the real fucking move, actually."
The Porsche Cayenne Hybrid is a fancy SUV that uses both gas and electricity to drive. It can run on just electricity for short distances, which is good for saving fuel.
The Porsche Cayenne Hybrid is a luxury plug-in hybrid SUV that combines a gasoline engine with an electric motor, allowing for electric-only driving and improved fuel efficiency.
Aston Martin Vanquish
"...once. The math of Ralph Lauren giving my dad the vanquish of his net worth versus the car. I did that math..."
The Aston Martin Vanquish is a beautiful luxury car that is very fast and powerful. It's known for its classy looks and is often seen as a symbol of wealth and style.
The Aston Martin Vanquish is a luxury grand tourer known for its stunning design and powerful V12 engine. It represents the brand's commitment to performance and elegance, making it a favorite among luxury car enthusiasts.
Nissan Skyline
"But I think there also there is probably some market pumping happening. We've talked about this with what Dino's and Skyline's Koska's Koska's. And there was a car that went up yesterday, the day before."
The Nissan Skyline is a fast car that many people admire for its racing history and how well it can be modified. It's popular in car culture and has a lot of fans.
The Nissan Skyline is a performance car that has gained a cult following, particularly for its capabilities in motorsports and tuning potential. It is often discussed for its iconic status in car culture, especially among enthusiasts.
Alpine A110
"I assume you're in America because you're using freedom units. So the Alpine A 110 will not do it. Six, seven, like what is six, seven?"
The Alpine A110 is a small sports car that is very light and fun to drive. It's not as common as other sports cars, which makes it special for those who love unique vehicles.
The Alpine A110 is a lightweight sports car that emphasizes agility and driving pleasure. It has gained attention for its unique design and performance characteristics, appealing to enthusiasts looking for something different.
Ford Mustang GTD
".... I don't know how tall you can be to fit in the Mustang GT. Pretty, pretty tall."
The Ford Mustang GTD is a super-fast version of the classic Mustang sports car. It's built for people who want a powerful car that can also perform well on a racetrack.
The Ford Mustang GTD is a high-performance variant of the iconic Mustang, designed to deliver track-ready capabilities and advanced technology. It represents Ford's commitment to performance and innovation in the muscle car segment.
BMW E63
"And all those Mercedes AMG coupes, those are really good for tall drivers. Like they had like the E 63 coupe thing for a while. Like those are great."
The BMW 6 Series is a fancy car that comes as a coupe or convertible. It's known for being stylish and fun to drive, making it a popular choice for those who want a luxury vehicle.
The BMW 6 Series is a luxury coupe and convertible known for its performance and elegant design. It combines sporty handling with high-end features, appealing to those who enjoy a refined driving experience.
Porsche Cayman
"...nine seven Carrera S over a nine eight seven KMO Cayman S worth the 20 to 30 K Delta and price differenc..."
The Porsche Cayman is a sporty car that many people love because it handles really well and is fun to drive. It's a bit smaller than the famous Porsche 911 but still very exciting.
The Porsche Cayman is a mid-engine sports car known for its exceptional handling and performance. It is often compared to the Porsche 911 and is celebrated for its driving experience.
Jeep Grand Cherokee
"...erent story. I mean, we used to have we had a 96 grand Cherokee, I think. And I went off-roading and it came bac..."
The Jeep Grand Cherokee is a big SUV that can go off-road and is also comfortable for everyday use. It's popular for its ability to handle tough terrain while still being nice inside.
The Jeep Grand Cherokee is a midsize SUV known for its off-road capabilities and luxurious features. It has a strong reputation for versatility, making it suitable for both rugged adventures and daily driving.
Lamborghini Countach
"...l, why haven't you put wheels and exhaust on your Countach? My friend, my friend, there are things you don'..."
The Lamborghini Countach is a super cool sports car that looks very unique and is super fast. It's famous for its design and is a dream car for many people.
The Lamborghini Countach is a legendary supercar known for its striking design and powerful performance. It is often discussed for its impact on automotive design and culture, representing the pinnacle of 1980s exotic cars.
Porsche 911
"I would say I'd like to eventually have another air cool 9-11. I really enjoyed it."
The Porsche 911 is a legendary sports car that many people dream of owning. It's known for its unique shape and how well it drives, making it one of the best sports cars out there.
The Porsche 911 is an iconic sports car recognized for its distinctive design and rear-engine layout. It has a long history of performance and is often discussed for its driving dynamics and status as a symbol of automotive excellence.
Shelby Cobra
"Yeah, a nice air cool thing will be cool. I was I was lightly shopping for Terminator Cobra's. They've gone up in price."
The Shelby Cobra is a famous sports car that is very fast and lightweight. It's loved by car collectors and enthusiasts because of its history and performance.
The Shelby Cobra is a classic American sports car known for its lightweight design and powerful V8 engine. It has become a symbol of performance and is highly sought after by collectors.
Volvo V60
"Bright, ling long baloney skins. Thoughts on Volvo S 60 and V 60 recharge plug-in hybrids. We drove that."
The Volvo V60 is a stylish wagon that has a lot of space inside and is very safe. It's a good option for families who need room for kids and gear.
The Volvo V60 is a luxury wagon that combines practicality with stylish design and safety features. It is often discussed for its spacious interior and versatility, making it a great choice for families.
Volvo S60
"Bright, ling long baloney skins. Thoughts on Volvo S 60 and V 60 recharge plug-in hybrids. We drove that."
The Volvo S60 is a nice car that is safe and comfortable to drive. It's a luxury sedan that many people like for its good looks and high-tech features.
The Volvo S60 is a compact luxury sedan known for its safety features and comfortable ride. It is often praised for its stylish design and advanced technology, appealing to those who prioritize safety and comfort.
Nissan Armada
"...ulling off a manual Z, the new Godzilla, a Nismo Armada and an Infinity Sports sedan in the next two to ..."
The Nissan Armada is a big SUV that can fit a lot of people and stuff inside. It's great for families and can also tow heavy things if needed.
The Nissan Armada is a full-size SUV known for its spacious interior and towing capabilities. It is often discussed for its family-friendly features and off-road potential.
Cadillac Ctsv
"...live in Louisiana. I'm looking for an 0 4 to 0 7 CTSV and GTO. What else should I be considering?"
The Cadillac CTS-V is a fast and fancy car that combines luxury with performance. It's a great choice for people who want a comfortable ride that can also go really fast.
The Cadillac CTS-V is a high-performance version of the CTS sedan, known for its powerful engine and luxury features. It competes with other luxury sports sedans and is often discussed for its blend of comfort and speed.
Chevrolet Camaro
"There's only like four possible options here. Mustangs, Camaro's and those cars that derive from them. That's really it."
The Chevrolet Camaro is a strong and sporty car that many people love for its speed and cool looks. It's often compared to the Ford Mustang because they are both popular muscle cars.
The Chevrolet Camaro is a classic American muscle car that offers powerful performance and aggressive styling. It competes closely with the Ford Mustang and is often discussed for its heritage and performance options.
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