Why Modern Cars Lost Their Soul | Aerospace Engineering, Toyota & Driver Feel
About this episode
Returning guest Derek Peterson ties aerospace flight-controls thinking to why modern cars can feel numb: NVH targets, “feel” metrics, and the safety-critical importance of feedback. The hosts weave in real-world car culture—Miata track trips, Caterham analog philosophy, and Corvette/Camaro-style upgrade talk—then pivot to Toyota and EV pressure. As emissions rules and EV smoothness reshape development, they argue manufacturers chase headline numbers while enthusiasts want steering, throttle, and pedal feedback that builds confidence and fun.
noise, vibration and harshness
"...about aerospace engineering and how that translates to noise, vibration and harshness and drivers cars. [27.2s] So before we get into that..."
NVH is a car-industry way of talking about how loud it is, how much it vibrates, and how smooth or rough it feels. Engineers work to reduce NVH so the car feels more refined.
Noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) describes how much sound, vibration, and “roughness” a car transmits to the driver and passengers. It’s a key part of perceived quality—two cars with similar performance can feel very different because of NVH.
tail of the dragon
"...From Tim Harris, driving update from the tail of the dragon. [43.0s] I spent the weekend in my Miata..."
“Tail of the Dragon” refers to a famous stretch of winding road in the U.S. that’s known for tight turns and elevation changes. It’s a popular route for drivers to test how well a car handles in real-world cornering conditions.
Mazda MX-5 / Miata
"...the tail of the dragon. I spent the weekend in my Miata, coaching with my daughter riding shotgun. A few ..."
The Miata is a small two-seat car made for driving pleasure. It’s known for being light and easy to handle, so it feels fun on curvy roads. People often talk about it because it’s a great car for learning and enjoying driving.
The Mazda MX-5, commonly called the Miata, is a lightweight two-seat roadster built for fun, nimble driving. It’s often discussed because it’s an accessible way to enjoy spirited handling on twisty roads, including long weekend trips like the one mentioned. In a podcast, it comes up as a “driver’s car” that’s easy to live with while still feeling engaging.
closed supervision
"...So the remainder of the drive was conducted under closed supervision. [77.5s] I'm really not sure, you know, who's instructing who? Tim Harris."
This sounds like the driving was done under controlled, supervised conditions rather than everyday traffic. It’s meant to be safer while someone coaches the driver.
“Closed supervision” here implies the driving occurred in a controlled environment rather than normal public traffic. In enthusiast contexts, it often means a safer, rules-based setup for teaching or coaching driving lines and behavior.
1993 Mazda Miata LE
"...he's got a beautiful 1993 Mazda Miata LE, the black over the red. [117.3s] Now we've got stories about one of those as well..."
This is a 1993 Mazda Miata roadster, in the “LE” trim. People like it because it’s light and fun to drive, especially on twisty roads.
The 1993 Mazda Miata LE is a first-generation MX-5 Miata (NA) known for its lightweight, balanced feel and classic roadster character. The “LE” trim typically adds comfort and appearance upgrades, but the big draw is still the Miata’s simple, driver-focused dynamics.
Audi R8
"So they're like, dad, we got our donut. We got our three cars. It's that Lambo, that Lambo and that already Audi R8."
The Audi R8 is a supercar from Audi with the engine placed toward the middle of the car. That layout helps it handle well. In this story, it’s one of the cars the kids want to show off.
The Audi R8 is a mid-engine supercar from Audi, built around a performance-focused layout that helps it feel balanced and responsive. It’s widely known as a “real supercar” that’s still usable day-to-day compared with some more extreme exotics. Here it’s mentioned as one of the kids’ favorite cars.
MG Midget
"Is that a tiger? No, this is, no, it's an MG Midget. Yeah, there we go. Okay. And this thing was so clean, straight piped. It sounded so awesome, but we couldn't find it."
An MG Midget is an older British sports car that’s famous for being light and fun. People often modify them, including changing the exhaust to make it louder and sound better. Here they’re talking about one that was very clean and had a straight-pipe exhaust.
The MG Midget is a classic British small roadster (from MG) that’s known for its lightweight, simple, fun-to-drive character. In this segment, it’s specifically described as “straight piped,” which points to an enthusiast exhaust setup that changes the sound and character of the car. The host also mentions talking to someone who restored an MG Midget, reinforcing its classic-car appeal.
straight piped
"And this thing was so clean, straight piped. It sounded so awesome, but we couldn't find it."
“Straight piped” means the exhaust is modified to be less muffled, so it’s louder. It often makes the car sound more aggressive. In this story, that’s why the MG Midget stood out.
“Straight piped” means removing or bypassing restrictive exhaust components (like mufflers and sometimes catalytic elements) so exhaust flows more freely. The result is usually a louder, more aggressive sound and sometimes different backpressure characteristics. The host uses it to explain why the MG Midget sounded “so awesome.”
Lotus Elan
"...eal with old MG problems and Triumph problems and Lotus Elan problems, whatever. Yes. So he's like, well, dad,..."
The Lotus Elan is an older Lotus sports car. In the podcast, it’s mentioned as an example of the kinds of issues people sometimes had with older sports cars. The point is to compare past ownership experiences with what newer cars are like.
The Lotus Elan is a classic Lotus sports car that’s often discussed in the context of older Lotus ownership experiences. In the podcast, it’s mentioned alongside other classic British sports cars to reference “old problems” and what owners had to deal with. That makes it relevant when talking about how modern cars compare to the challenges of earlier eras.
flying Miata summer camp
"at the flying Miata summer camp. Nice. Which is as awesome as it sounds. [349.0s] This is the fourth year she knew that I've gone to this thing."
They’re talking about a Miata-focused summer event. It includes track days and learning sessions, plus group driving with other enthusiasts.
The segment discusses a “Flying Miata” summer camp, which is an enthusiast program centered on track days and instruction for Miata owners. It’s described as including track time, group drives, and tech seminars.
Grand Junction Motor Speedway
"And there is a shifter cart track, which is the Grand Junction Motor Speedway. [371.2s] It's a great little track."
This is the race track in Grand Junction that the Miata group uses for their event. They rent track time there for driving days.
Grand Junction Motor Speedway is the track used for the “Flying Miata” camp’s shifter-cart track activities. In this context, it’s the venue where the group rents time for track days and related driving events.
shifter cart track
"And there is a shifter cart track, which is the Grand Junction Motor Speedway. [371.2s] It's a great little track."
A shifter kart is a go-kart where you change gears with a lever. It’s more like driving a real car than the simplest automatic karts.
A “shifter cart” is a go-kart with a manual gearbox (a shifter) rather than an automatic transmission. That makes it closer to real driving skills—like gear selection and throttle control—than a basic automatic kart.
tech seminars
"And then they do group drives, and then they do tech seminars at their office, whatever. [394.4s] We've gotten to where we just go down for one of the track days."
Tech seminars are teaching sessions about car stuff. Usually it’s things like how to maintain the car or how to set it up better.
“Tech seminars” are structured instruction sessions focused on mechanical topics—typically maintenance, setup, and how-to troubleshooting. In enthusiast events, they’re often where owners learn common adjustments and best practices for their cars.
clapped out
"But a lot of times they're all clapped out. The NA Miatas, they get in the hands of a teenager, a college kid."
“Clapped out” is slang for a car that’s beat up and not in great shape. Here, it means many older Miatas have been neglected or driven hard by previous owners.
“Clapped out” is enthusiast slang meaning a car is worn out, neglected, and often mechanically tired. In this context, it describes many NA Miatas that have been abused or poorly maintained by previous owners.
track day
"We spent the day yesterday at the track. Shifter Fields, my Instagram, I posted a bunch of fun videos of sliding these things around this little track."
A track day is when regular cars go to a race track for fun and practice. You drive on the track instead of public roads, and it can be tough on parts if you push the car.
A track day is an organized event where drivers take their own cars onto a closed circuit for timed laps and practice. It’s different from racing because the focus is usually on driver experience and learning, though cars can still be pushed hard enough to reveal mechanical wear.
sliding these things around
"Shifter Fields, my Instagram, I posted a bunch of fun videos of sliding these things around this little track."
“Sliding” means the tires lose grip and the car moves sideways a bit while you steer. It’s something drivers do on a track to make the car rotate and feel more exciting.
“Sliding” refers to intentionally breaking traction so the car rotates and the tires slip laterally while you steer through a corner. On a Miata, it’s often done with careful throttle/brake inputs and tire grip management to create controllable oversteer for fun.
wheel bearings
"We had one of our guys kind of the pit crew. He sees mechanical, he swapped wheel bearings right there on the track, two of them."
Wheel bearings help the wheel spin smoothly. If they wear out or get damaged, the car can get noisy or feel rough, and replacing them can get you back on track.
Wheel bearings are the components that allow each wheel hub to spin smoothly with low friction. On track days, they’re a common wear item, and swapping them quickly can be the difference between losing a session and getting back out.
GT3
"Well, yeah, it is fun. And it's another example of like, that's what cars are supposed to be. So we can't take this stuff too seriously. Whether it's a Miata or a GT3, it's supposed to be fun."
“GT3” usually means the Porsche 911 GT3, a track-oriented version of the 911. People bring it up as an example of a car that’s meant to be driven hard for fun.
“GT3” is shorthand for Porsche’s 911 GT3 line, a track-focused sports car built around racing-derived aerodynamics and a naturally aspirated engine. In enthusiast talk, it’s used as a benchmark for “real” driving fun—something you do for the experience, not just commuting.
Calway Supercharger kit
"Well, we finished a C7 service on a Corvette that has the Calway Supercharger kit on it. So that was actually kind of fun. I got to take that thing out, you know, for a little quick shake down after the service was completed."
Calway makes an aftermarket supercharger kit. A supercharger forces more air into the engine, which usually makes the car faster, and the host is describing testing the car after installing it.
A Calway Supercharger kit is an aftermarket forced-induction upgrade for a Corvette, replacing the factory setup with a supercharger to increase airflow and power. In the segment, it’s specifically mentioned on a Corvette C7, and the host describes taking the car out briefly after service to confirm everything feels right.
Corvette Grand Sport
"...So let me ask you a question. Why Supercharge the Grand Sport? And I do not keep harping on gearing. I do think..."
The Corvette is a sports car made by Chevrolet. People who like Corvettes often talk about how different versions are engineered to make more power. In the podcast, it comes up in a discussion about why a certain Corvette variant might use supercharging.
The Corvette is Chevrolet’s flagship sports car line, known for delivering serious performance with a strong enthusiast community. In the podcast, it’s specifically tied to a question about supercharging a Grand Sport, which highlights how owners and fans debate engineering choices. It’s discussed because Corvette models often represent different performance approaches within the same overall platform.
gearing
"So let me ask you a question. Why Supercharge the Grand Sport? And I do not keep harping on gearing. I do think they are a little gearing in the Grand Sport versus the Z06."
In performance-car talk, “gearing” usually refers to the transmission’s gear ratios and/or final-drive ratio, which strongly affect acceleration feel and how the engine behaves at different speeds. The hosts bring it up while comparing the Grand Sport to the Z06, implying the two cars may feel different even before any supercharger upgrade.
bang for the buck
"And so, yeah, I think it's, you know, there's certainly some value for people that are looking for the best bang for the buck and easy way to get more power."
“Bang for the buck” means getting the most improvement for the money. They’re saying the upgrade path can be a cheaper way to make more power than buying the top model.
“Bang for the buck” is a value-focused phrase meaning you get the biggest improvement per dollar spent. In this context, the hosts argue that supercharging a C7 (or building it up) can be a cost-effective way to gain more power compared with buying a more expensive Corvette variant.
mass
"You know, there's certainly some value for people that are looking for the best bang for the buck and easy way to get more power. You know, because look, at the end of the day, the car is, it is heavy, okay? You feel that mass."
“Mass” just means how heavy the car is. A heavier car can feel slower to change speed, and it can affect how it drives and stops.
“Mass” is the physical weight of the car, and in driving terms it affects acceleration, braking, and how the car feels under power. The hosts mention that the Corvette is heavy and that you can “feel that mass,” framing why power upgrades and driving feel matter.
Caterham
"Zoom call with Caterham. You know, Caterham are now owned by a Japanese company... because Caterham are still sticking to their knitting, as far as the super seven is concerned."
Caterham is a British car company famous for small, lightweight sports cars. The host is saying a Japanese company is now involved with Caterham, but the brand is still focused on keeping its classic “Seven” formula.
Caterham is a British sports-car brand best known for the Seven-style lightweight roadsters. In this segment, the host notes Caterham’s ownership/investment link to a Japanese company, which is relevant because it frames how the brand is continuing its traditional approach rather than changing direction.
Monterey
"they're coming out to Monterey, which I think you and I are also going to be coming to Monterey, right?"
The host is talking about Monterey as a location where car people will be meeting up. It’s known for automotive events and enthusiast get-togethers.
Monterey is referenced as the place where Caterham is “coming out,” tying the conversation to a specific automotive event region. It’s a common hub for car gatherings and enthusiast media activities.
super seven
"because Caterham are still sticking to their knitting, as far as the super seven is concerned. And, you and I keep preaching about these analog cars."
The “Super Seven” is Caterham’s version of a classic lightweight sports car. The point here is that it’s meant to feel old-school and connected to the driver, not like a modern gadget-heavy car.
The “Super Seven” refers to Caterham’s modernized take on the classic Seven lightweight roadster concept. It’s significant because the host is using it as an example of an “analog” driving philosophy—simple, driver-focused mechanics rather than modern digital/assisted driving.
analog cars
"And, you and I keep preaching about these analog cars. And, you know, what they've done... is continue that in a way for, you know, for the 50 plus years they've been in business..."
“Analog cars” means cars that feel more mechanical and direct—where you can sense what the car is doing without it being run by lots of computers and screens. The host is saying Caterham keeps that classic feel.
“Analog cars” is a philosophy describing vehicles that emphasize direct, mechanical-feeling controls and feedback rather than relying on screens, software, and electronic mediation. In this segment, it’s used to argue that Caterham has preserved that feel for decades by sticking to core fundamentals.
IP
"since acquiring the low to seven IP. Behind me, I had to put up a little picture..."
“IP” here means intellectual property—basically the legal rights to a design or idea. The host is saying Caterham acquired the rights behind the Seven concept and kept building on it.
In this context, “IP” means intellectual property—legal rights to things like designs, engineering know-how, and branding. The host says Caterham acquired “the low to seven IP,” implying they bought rights tied to the Seven concept and then continued developing it.
Lotus Exige
"...decades. And that's why I feel like the Elise and exige are kind of the modern day equivalent, you know, ..."
The Exige is a lightweight sports car from Lotus. It’s designed to feel more track-focused and agile than a typical road car. The podcast mentions it along with the Elise because they share a similar “light and fun to drive” idea.
The Lotus Exige is a track-focused, lightweight sports car related to the Elise, built to emphasize sharper driving dynamics. In the podcast, it’s grouped with the Elise as a “modern day equivalent” to older Lotus offerings, pointing to the brand’s continued focus on lightness and driver engagement. That’s why it’s mentioned when discussing what feels like the current version of classic Lotus character.
BAC monos
"Having sold aerial atoms and BAC monos and dragons, [924.5s] you know, I've sold like, oh, what, 70, 80 plus of these cars."
The BAC Mono is a very minimal, single-seat performance car. Enthusiasts like it because it feels direct and driver-focused—more about how you drive than about gadgets.
BAC Mono is a single-seat, track-focused sports car known for its minimalist design and driver-centric layout. It’s often grouped with other “analog” cars because the experience is about balance, steering, and throttle feel rather than luxury or driver-assist tech.
Mount Tune
"So they wanted to talk to me. They're getting their engines built and the engine builder, [951.9s] you know, and I know them very, very well, Mount Tune. And so, Ken, you should talk to these guys"
Mountune is a company that works on making engines perform better. Here, it’s brought up because they’re involved in building the engines for these specialty cars.
Mountune is an automotive performance company known for tuning and engine-related work. In the segment, it’s mentioned as the engine builder involved in getting these boutique cars set up for production and use.
analog sports cars
"having a good call. And so, you know, again, it kind of, [965.7s] helps it to kind of reaffirm, if you will, our belief that analog sports cars are here [972.0s] to stay."
“Analog” here means the car feels more like a traditional, mechanical machine. Instead of relying on screens and electronics, it responds in a way you can feel through the steering and pedals.
“Analog sports cars” refers to cars that prioritize mechanical feedback and driver input—steering feel, throttle response, and balance—over heavy electronic mediation. The host is arguing that these cars still have long-term appeal because the driving experience feels natural and engaging.
K24 swap
"I was talking to a guy at this Miata track day that we were doing, and he's got a K24 swap in a Miata."
A K24 swap is when someone puts a Honda K24 engine into a different car instead of the original engine. Enthusiasts do it to make the car faster and more fun to drive.
A K24 swap means replacing a car’s original engine with a Honda K-series K24 engine. It’s a common enthusiast modification because the K24 family is popular, tunable, and can deliver a big power/torque upgrade relative to many stock setups.
Lotus United Gathering
"How did the Caterham or the Lotus community, like the Lotus United Gathering, for example, that's coming up this year in Salt Lake, how do they view the Caterham guys?"
This is a Lotus car meet/event. The host brings it up to explain that Caterham cars are accepted and show up alongside Lotus cars.
This refers to a Lotus-focused gathering/event mentioned as coming up in Salt Lake. It’s relevant here because the host is discussing how Caterham owners are welcomed within the Lotus community.
Salt Lake
"like the Lotus United Gathering, for example, that's coming up this year in Salt Lake, how do they view the Caterham guys?"
Salt Lake is where the event is being held. It helps you picture where the Lotus/Caterham community meet-up will happen.
Salt Lake is the location where the host says the Lotus United Gathering is happening. For listeners, it provides real-world context for where this Lotus/Caterham community interaction will occur.
front engine, rear drive
"it has that kind of weight distribution, right? And so the handling characteristics are like that, you know, front engine, rear drive."
This means the engine is in the front, and the back wheels get the power. That setup affects how the car turns and grips, and it changes the driving feel.
“Front engine, rear drive” describes a layout where the engine sits in the front of the car and power is sent to the rear wheels. This layout strongly influences handling balance and traction behavior, which is why the host says the Caterham feels “more like the Miata” in terms of how it drives.
Lotus Elise
"I've been asked now that I've got experience with this hard core Elise that you built ... once again, these are wildly different cars ... the Elise is really hardcore and buttoned down and the driving is very different."
The Lotus Elise is a very light, track-oriented sports car. Compared with a Miata, it’s less about casual fun and more about precise, serious driving.
The Lotus Elise is a hardcore, lightweight sports car built around a driver-focused chassis and sharp handling. In this segment, the host contrasts it with the Miata’s playful, “slidey” character, saying the Elise feels more buttoned-down and fundamentally different to drive.
Akio Toyota
"Number one is their CEO, Akio Toyota, gave kind of a somber interview with, or at least this snippet of the interview was a little somber."
Akio Toyota is the top leader at Toyota. In this clip, he talks about how he feels worried that everyone is moving away from gas engines and toward electric cars.
Akio Toyota is the CEO of Toyota Motor Corporation (and a member of the Toyota family). In this segment, he’s quoted discussing how he feels alone in trying to preserve combustion-engine jobs as the industry shifts toward EVs.
Carwow
"It was with Carwow, which is famous over in England, you know, big YouTube channel, do a lot of drag races."
Carwow is a car-focused YouTube channel and website in the UK. It also has tools that help people look up and compare cars.
Carwow is a UK-based automotive media brand best known for its YouTube content and for tools that help shoppers compare and value vehicles. The host references it because Akio Toyota’s quote appears in an interview there.
combustion vehicles
"…trying to hang on to combustion vehicles. His direct quote… everybody is shifting to EVs."
Combustion vehicles are regular gas or diesel cars that make power by burning fuel in an engine. The speaker is saying he wants those engine jobs to keep existing as more people switch to electric cars.
“Combustion vehicles” are cars that generate power by burning fuel (typically gasoline or diesel) in an engine. In contrast to EVs, they rely on engine sound/smell and have a supply chain tied to engine components and related jobs.
EVs
"…everybody is shifting to EVs. This is the biggest fear for me."
EVs are electric cars that run on batteries and electric motors. The host is discussing how the industry is moving toward them and away from gas engines.
EVs are electric vehicles that use electric motors powered by batteries instead of burning fuel in an engine. The segment frames EV adoption as a major industry shift that threatens the future of combustion-engine suppliers and enthusiast driving culture.
Toyota MR2
"...he community is rumoring this thing to be the new MR2. So you've got Toyota that we've both talked abou..."
The MR2 is a small sports car made by Toyota. It’s designed to be fun to drive and has its engine placed in the middle of the car. In the podcast, it’s mentioned as a comparison for what a new sports car might be like.
The Toyota MR2 is a mid-engine sports car known for its compact size and balanced driving feel. It’s brought up because the podcast is discussing whether another upcoming or rumored sports car could capture the same kind of role in the lineup. That makes it a useful reference point for what enthusiasts expect from a “small, fun, sporty” Toyota.
Toyota GR Corolla
"... makes me think, are they trying to repackage the GR Corolla into a sports car, which would be all-wheel drive..."
The GR Corolla is a fast version of the Toyota Corolla. It’s designed to be sporty and it uses all-wheel drive to help grip the road. The podcast brings it up while talking about whether Toyota might turn that idea into a different kind of sports car.
The Toyota GR Corolla is a hot hatch built for performance, with the key feature being its all-wheel drive setup for traction. The podcast context suggests a discussion about whether Toyota could “repackage” it into a more traditional sports car format. It’s mentioned because it represents a specific kind of modern performance—fast, practical, and capable in different conditions.
manual
"…because BMW has said they think the manual, there is a place to keep that around into the future."
“Manual” means a stick shift. You use a clutch and move the gear lever yourself instead of letting the car automatically change gears.
A “manual” refers to a manual transmission, where the driver selects gears using a clutch pedal and gear lever. The host is pointing out BMW’s stance that manuals may remain desirable even as electrification increases.
emissions requirements
"Yeah, I mean, it's really going to get dictated by what emissions requirements are going to be out there in the future as far as what can be continued to be produced."
These are government limits on how much pollution a car is allowed to put into the air. If the rules get stricter, car makers have to change engines and designs to comply.
Emissions requirements are government rules that limit what pollutants a vehicle can produce, such as exhaust gases and particulates. These regulations strongly influence what powertrains automakers can keep selling and how quickly they must shift toward electrification or alternative technologies.
internal combustion engine
"And so look, we're rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic on the internal combustion engine Titanic. That's just a cold hard reality."
It’s the classic engine type that burns gasoline or diesel inside the engine to make power. The host is basically saying that future rules may make it harder for these engines to keep being common.
An internal combustion engine (ICE) burns fuel inside the engine to create power. The “Titanic” metaphor here is saying ICE cars face long-term pressure from emissions rules and regulation, even if enthusiasts still want them.
BMW M2
"...it's a bit like the very blocky, like the current M2. But that's all right. I could see myself driving..."
The BMW M2 is a smaller BMW coupe built for performance. It’s meant to feel sporty and responsive when you drive it. The podcast mentions it as an example of a compact, driver-focused car.
The BMW M2 is a compact performance coupe from BMW’s M division, aimed at drivers who want a smaller, more agile “sports car feel.” In the podcast, it’s referenced as a comparison point for shape and driving character, suggesting the speaker could see themselves enjoying that kind of setup. It’s often discussed because it blends everyday practicality with track-capable performance.
Shelby
"Shelby Mustang legend. And now they've decided that they're breaking ties with Shelby, and they're going to start using Dark Horse as the nomenclature."
Shelby is a famous performance brand connected with special Ford cars, especially Mustangs. The speaker is talking about whether Ford should keep paying to use that name.
Shelby refers to the Shelby brand tied to Shelby American, which has long been associated with high-performance Ford Mustangs and racing-derived parts. The segment discusses licensing and whether Ford should keep relying on Shelby branding or build in-house.
licensing fees
"I think I saw somewhere like maybe $30 million paying licensing fees to Shelby America over the years."
Licensing fees are money you pay to use someone else’s brand name legally. Here, it’s about Ford paying Shelby to use the Shelby name on cars.
Licensing fees are payments a company makes to legally use another brand’s name, trademarks, or technology. In this segment, Ford is described as paying licensing fees to Shelby America over the years to use the Shelby name.
GT4
"Or maybe we just keep hiring Multimatic to build us GTDs and build our GT4 race cars and Mustang and Ford GTs."
GT4 is a type of race category for cars that are based on real production models. It’s meant to be a more affordable way to race than the highest-level GT classes.
GT4 is a class of sports-car racing for production-based cars, with rules intended to keep costs lower than top GT categories. The host mentions GT4 race cars as part of how Ford might build track cars without relying on Shelby branding.
Mustang Dark Horse
"I do think it's more important, like the Mustang Dark Horse, I don't know if it's been a success for them. It's never really captivated me all that much."
The Mustang Dark Horse is a more aggressive, higher-performance version of the Ford Mustang. The speaker is basically saying it doesn’t excite them as much as the older Shelby Mustangs.
The Mustang Dark Horse is a modern, higher-performance trim of the Ford Mustang positioned as a more hardcore alternative within the lineup. In this segment, the host argues it hasn’t “captured” them the way older Shelby-badged Mustangs did.
C8 Corvette
"because I talked last week all about the C8 Corvette. I made no bones about the fact that I really enjoyed the experience behind the wheel and those Stingray"
The C8 Corvette is a Corvette generation with the engine in the middle of the car. The speaker says they really enjoyed driving it, and that’s part of why they’re not as interested in the Dark Horse.
The C8 Corvette is the Chevrolet Corvette generation that moved to a mid-engine layout, which is a big change from earlier Corvettes. The host uses it as a contrast point: they enjoyed the “experience behind the wheel” and were compelled to try it, unlike the Mustang Dark Horse.
Shelby Gt350 Shelby
"...ver spend the money on that when I could go buy a GT350 Shelby. So the point is I want their Mustang. It's not t..."
A Shelby Mustang is a Mustang that’s been modified and tuned for higher performance by Shelby. It’s meant to be quicker and handle better than a standard Mustang. The podcast brings it up because it has a well-known performance reputation.
A Shelby Mustang refers to performance Mustangs developed by Shelby, known for upgrading power, handling, and overall track capability. In the podcast, it’s used to describe the appeal of the Mustang brand’s performance history and the “legend” built over decades. It’s discussed because it represents a particular performance identity that enthusiasts associate with Shelby-badged cars.
Multimatic
"You and I know and many people know that Multimatic is supporting most of Ford's significant efforts. It seems like in building these crazy GTDs and Ford GTs and stuff."
Multimatic is a company that helps with racing car development and support work. The host is saying Ford relies on them for a lot of its big performance efforts.
Multimatic is a motorsport and engineering company that supports major racing and performance programs. In this segment, the host says Multimatic is supporting most of Ford’s significant efforts, including building “crazy GTDs” and Ford GTs.
GTDs
"It seems like in building these crazy GTDs and Ford GTs and stuff."
GTD is a category in sports-car racing for cars that are based on production models. The host is saying Ford is building cars to compete in that class.
GTD is a racing class designation (GT Daytona) used in sports-car racing for production-based GT cars. The host uses “GTDs” to describe Ford’s efforts building cars aimed at that kind of top-level GT competition.
Ford GTs
"It seems like in building these crazy GTDs and Ford GTs and stuff."
The Ford GT is a special, high-performance Ford supercar. The host brings it up as part of Ford’s racing and performance push.
The Ford GT is a track-focused supercar built by Ford for high-level motorsport and performance credibility. The host mentions “Ford GTs” in the context of Ford’s racing-related efforts supported by Multimatic.
Jim Farley
"Ford, they've publicly stated recently, Jim Farley who races, he says, yeah, we need to build this capability in-house."
Jim Farley is a Ford executive. The host is citing him to show Ford wants to build racing know-how internally.
Jim Farley is an executive at Ford who has publicly discussed strategy for building racing-related capability in-house. In this segment, his quote is used to support the idea that Ford wants to develop its own performance/racing expertise rather than relying on other brands.
Prototipos
"he's my absolute favorite Pilotes, the Prototipos. I've been wearing the, they're back in production, okay?"
Prototipos is the name of a specific driving-shoe model. The host likes it because it’s comfortable for long use and still helps you feel the pedals.
Prototipos is the specific Pilotes driving-shoe model the host prefers. The host connects the design to endurance racing needs—especially reducing foot fatigue—while still being usable for daily driving and pedal operation.
Pilotes
"But this dark pair of shoes that are sitting behind me in this picture in my screen here, he's my absolute favorite Pilotes, the Prototipos."
Pilotes is a brand of driving shoes. The host is saying these shoes are comfortable for everyday wear but still good for feeling the pedals when driving.
Pilotes is a footwear brand associated with driving shoes designed for motorsport and endurance use. The host is describing how the Pilotes “Prototipos” model is comfortable for walking but still works well for pedal feel.
foot fatigue
"This is the original kind of soul that Pilote, you know, and Kevin Beard, who was the founder of the company, first introduced. And he was all about foot fatigue for endurance racers."
Foot fatigue means your feet get tired or sore after a long time using the pedals. The host is saying these shoes are designed to help reduce that for endurance driving.
Foot fatigue is the discomfort and loss of control that can build up in the feet during long driving stints, especially when repeatedly modulating pedals. The host attributes the Prototipos design to endurance racers needing to minimize that fatigue.
Kevin Beard
"This is the original kind of soul that Pilote, you know, and Kevin Beard, who was the founder of the company, first introduced."
Kevin Beard is the person who founded the Pilotes shoe company. The host says he designed the original driving-shoe concept with long races in mind.
Kevin Beard is described as the founder of the Pilotes company. In this segment, he’s credited with introducing the original Prototipos design focused on reducing foot fatigue for endurance racers.
Audi Etron
"because I drove that Audi e-tron. [2121.2s] That was a confession on your side, my friend. You finally admitted that you actually like EVs."
The Audi e-tron is an electric Audi SUV. The hosts mention it because driving it made someone reconsider whether EVs can still feel engaging.
The Audi e-tron is Audi’s electric SUV line, known for using an all-electric powertrain instead of a gasoline engine. In this episode, it’s used as an example of a recent EV that changed the hosts’ opinions about “analog” feel and character.
Volkswagen Egolf
"[2127.6s] Derek has owned an e-golf. So, you know, we, I think we come at this from the full like broad [2134.3s] perspective that I think is due when you're talking about analog cars."
The e-Golf is Volkswagen’s electric version of the Golf, replacing the gasoline powertrain with an electric motor and battery pack. Here it’s mentioned as part of the hosts’ “EV experience” background before they pivot back to analog-car feel and engineering targets.
NVH
"[2140.5s] specifically about, you know, building in like the NVH discussion. And when you were building [2148.1s] flight control systems, what, where does NVH come into that discussion?"
NVH is a car engineering shorthand for how loud, how shaky, and how rough the car feels. The hosts are discussing how engineers measure and try to reduce it, and why that can be tricky depending on the system.
NVH stands for noise, vibration, and harshness—how much sound, shaking, and “roughness” a vehicle produces and transmits to occupants. Engineers try to reduce NVH because it strongly affects perceived quality and comfort, but the episode argues that in some domains (like aerospace controls) the “right” targets and metrics may differ.
control services
"you're holding the control column, the yoke, and it has cables all the way back to the control services. Right. Which means you have enough strength to move the control service and control the airplane"
Here, “control services” means the parts that carry your steering/handling input from the cockpit to the moving control surfaces. When it’s mechanical (like cables), you can feel vibrations and resistance through the controls. That’s the “feel” the speaker is talking about.
In this context, “control services” refers to the mechanical/actuation linkages that transmit movement from the cockpit controls (like the yoke) to the aircraft’s control surfaces. The speaker’s point is that with cable controls, the pilot can physically feel vibrations and resistance, which provides intuitive feedback. That physical feedback is what they’re comparing to “feel” in cars.
stall
"So if you're about to stall the aircraft, you don't need anything to tell you it's going to happen because you feel it in the stick"
A stall is when the wings stop producing enough lift to keep the plane flying. It happens when the wing is at too steep of an angle. The plane can start dropping fast, which is why pilots need strong warning signs—sometimes felt through the controls.
A stall is a loss of lift caused when an aircraft’s wing exceeds its critical angle of attack, so airflow can’t stay attached to the wing surface. The result is a rapid drop in lift, which can make the aircraft lose altitude quickly. The speaker uses stall as an example of why “feel” matters for safety—because pilots can sense it through control feedback in small aircraft.
amplifying that control signal
"So over time, what we had to do is start amplifying that control signal and, you know, use it to amplify the surface. Well, we started doing that with, literally, we had still had cable controls"
As planes got larger, the pilot’s hand force wasn’t enough to move the control surfaces directly. So the system boosts the pilot’s input—either electronically or with powered help—so the plane responds correctly. The goal is to keep the pilot connected to what’s happening, not just make it automatic.
“Amplifying the control signal” means increasing the pilot’s input strength electronically or via power assistance so the aircraft can move larger control surfaces. As aircraft got bigger, pilots couldn’t physically move the controls directly with the same cable forces. The speaker’s point is that even when you add assistance, you can still preserve some “feel” through the system’s feedback.
fly by wire
"Well, as flight controls have advanced, we now disconnect the pilot from the control surface with what's called fly by wire. And that's, and you start to hear that kind of"
Fly-by-wire means the pilot doesn’t move the airplane controls with cables. Instead, the pilot’s commands go through computers and electronics, and the plane moves its control surfaces based on that. Because it’s electronic, it can feel different than older systems.
Fly-by-wire is a flight-control system where the pilot’s inputs are converted into electronic signals instead of directly moving the control surfaces mechanically. Those signals then command actuators to move the aircraft’s control surfaces, which can improve precision and enable safety features. It can also change the “feel” the pilot gets compared with older cable-and-linkage controls.
break by wire
"terminology in automotive too, where it's, you know, steer by wire or break by wire."
Brake-by-wire means pressing the brake pedal sends an electronic signal instead of directly controlling the brakes through a traditional connection. The car then computes and applies the braking, while still making the pedal feel normal.
“Brake by wire” (the transcript says “break by wire”) replaces the direct hydraulic/mechanical connection for braking with electronic control. The system must provide consistent pedal feel and reliable braking response, because the driver’s feedback depends on the engineered feedback loop.
no longer any feedback
"When you totally disconnect the pilot from the control surface, that's, that can be a very dangerous situation because there's no longer any feedback."
Feedback is the “information loop” that tells you what’s happening when you move a control. If that information disappears, it’s much harder to correct mistakes in time.
In control systems, “feedback” is the information that tells the driver (or pilot) what the system is doing. If you disconnect the human from the control surfaces, the driver may lose the cues needed to correct quickly, which can make the vehicle feel unpredictable and increase crash risk.
yaw
"we did a flight, a directional control system for Gulfstream on their aircraft, which is what you, what you fly with your feet, it's the yaw on the aircraft."
Yaw is the sideways turning motion of an aircraft—like the nose swinging left or right. Pilots need to control it to keep the plane pointed the way they want.
Yaw is rotation around the aircraft’s vertical axis—think “nose left/right.” In the example, the speaker describes a directional control system for Gulfstream aircraft, where yaw control is crucial for keeping the aircraft stable and controllable.
high Gs
"if you look at, at the F16, so the F16, you know, it's a supersonic aircraft. It can pull very, very high Gs."
“G’s” are how strong the forces are compared to gravity. “High G’s” means the aircraft is pulling or turning so hard that it creates big forces on the pilot.
“G” refers to acceleration relative to gravity; “high Gs” means the pilot and aircraft experience very large forces. The speaker uses this to explain why a computer must stabilize the aircraft—humans can’t physically move controls fast enough or precisely enough under extreme loads.
supersonic aircraft
"if you look at, at the F16, so the F16, you know, it's a, it's a supersonic aircraft."
Supersonic means the plane is going faster than sound. When you go that fast, the airflow behaves differently, so the plane needs more advanced control to stay stable.
A “supersonic aircraft” travels faster than the speed of sound. At those speeds, aerodynamic behavior changes significantly, which is one reason advanced stability and control systems are needed to keep the aircraft controllable.
communication
"So Blair, I think I told you about the, the pin and free in a Batista, my experience with that. Have you told you about that? Yeah, yeah. Well, I'll have you talk about this, but to transition over to automotive. So you're talking a lot about communication from a safety standpoint."
Here, “communication” means how clearly the vehicle tells you what’s happening—through feel, feedback, and response. The host compares it to flying, where losing feedback can be dangerous. In cars, the same idea affects both safety and how fun the drive feels.
In this context, “communication” refers to how well a car (or aircraft) feeds information back to the operator through controls and sensations. The host argues that good feedback helps control and safety, while also improving the enthusiast experience. It’s a human-factors idea: the vehicle should tell you what it’s doing.
Ferrari 308
"So like as you, as an example, I think you drove that 308, that Ferrari 308. Yeah. That Ferrari 308 is not a fast car, but it has tons of feedback."
The Ferrari 308 is an older Ferrari sports car with a mid-engine V8. The host is saying it’s fun because the throttle and pedal feel predictable, so it’s easier to match engine revs when you shift. That makes driving feel more connected and enjoyable.
The Ferrari 308 is a classic mid-engine V8 sports car known for its driver-focused feel rather than outright speed. In this segment, the host uses it to talk about how throttle and pedal behavior make rev matching easier and more repeatable. That “feedback” is part of why older cars can feel more engaging to enthusiasts.
rev match
"So if I'm trying to rev match the Ferrari 308, which is a fun little car, not a fast car, but a fun little car, I use about probably two to two and a half inches of pedal throw to rev match."
Rev matching means you adjust the engine RPM to fit the lower gear before you complete the shift. If you do it right, the car doesn’t jerk and the downshift feels smooth. The host is saying the pedal/throttle feel determines how easy it is to do that consistently.
Rev matching is the technique of adjusting engine speed to match the transmission input speed before (or during) a downshift. Done well, it reduces driveline shock and makes the shift feel smooth. In this segment, the host ties rev matching success to how much pedal travel the throttle system requires.
throttle progression
"it's got a, it's the throttle progression. Like you mentioned, it's not very good. It's too fast."
Throttle progression describes how the engine’s response ramps up as you move the accelerator pedal—essentially the mapping between pedal travel and throttle opening. If progression is “too fast,” small pedal movements can cause large changes in engine speed, making fine control harder. The host uses this to explain why rev matching can be more difficult in the 911 R.
lighter flywheel
"That car's got a lighter flywheel too, doesn't it? Totally. It's got it right."
A flywheel is a heavy spinning part that helps the engine feel smooth. If it’s lighter, the engine can speed up and slow down faster when you press the gas, which can make the car feel more immediate.
A flywheel stores rotational energy, smoothing out engine speed changes. A lighter flywheel reduces rotational inertia, which can make the engine respond more quickly to throttle inputs—often improving responsiveness and feel.
throttle mapping
"That could be that this could be throttle mapping, it could be clutch, you know, waiting and throw,"
Throttle mapping is how the car’s computer turns your gas pedal input into engine power. Different settings can make the car feel gentle or jumpy when you press the pedal.
Throttle mapping is the calibration that translates your accelerator pedal position into engine torque. By changing this curve, engineers can make the car feel more linear, more aggressive, or easier to modulate at the limit.
clutch
"So that could be that this could be throttle mapping, it could be clutch, you know, waiting and throw,"
The clutch is what lets you smoothly switch between engine power and the gearbox. How it engages matters a lot for how smooth or jerky the car feels.
The clutch is the component that connects and disconnects the engine from the transmission in a manual (and in some automated systems). The way it’s controlled—engagement timing and how it’s “feathered”—strongly affects drivability and driver confidence.
go-karts
"I raised go-karts for like 10 years. And I always knew what was happening with the back end of my car."
Go-karts are small, simple race vehicles where you feel a lot through the seat. The speaker is using them to explain how direct feedback can help you control a car.
Go-karts are lightweight, low-comfort vehicles that transmit road and chassis behavior directly to the driver. The speaker uses this as a comparison to explain how minimal padding and direct feedback can make it easier to sense what the rear is doing.
solid mounted
"the BAC model, perfect example, the powertrain is, you know, solid mounted. Okay. It's a structural component."
“Solid mounted” means the engine is attached with less rubber isolation. That can make the car feel more connected, but it also tends to make it louder and more vibrating inside.
A solid-mounted powertrain is attached to the chassis with minimal isolation, so engine and drivetrain vibrations transmit more directly into the body. This can increase NVH (noise and vibration) but may also improve mechanical “feel” and response.
hard mounted
"The rear wishbones hang off the gearbox. Okay. The engine is essentially a hard mounted. It shakes like crazy."
“Hard mounted” means the engine is attached in a way that doesn’t absorb much vibration. So the car can feel more intense and connected, but it also tends to shake and feel harsher inside. That’s why it can increase noise and vibration for passengers.
A “hard mounted” engine mount means the engine is attached with little isolation from the chassis. That lets more vibration and movement reach the body, which can make the car feel more raw and connected—but also increases cabin harshness. In the segment, this is tied directly to the shaking and NVH complaints.
rear wishbones
"Okay. The rear wishbones hang off the gearbox. Okay. The engine is essentially a hard mounted."
Wishbones are parts of the suspension that help control how the wheel moves. The host is saying the rear suspension arms are mounted to the gearbox area. That kind of layout can change how much vibration gets transmitted into the car.
Wishbones are suspension control arms that locate and guide the wheel’s movement. When the host says the “rear wishbones hang off the gearbox,” they’re describing a packaging/layout choice where the suspension links are mounted to the transmission/gearbox structure rather than a separate subframe. That can affect how vibration paths travel and how the car feels over bumps.
BMW M3
"I guess the, the question I have in my mind is can you, let's take a BMW M3 as an example. Can you take a BMW 3 series, call it an M340i..."
The BMW M3 is BMW’s high-performance version of the 3 Series line. It’s meant to feel more exciting and connected to the driver than a normal commuter BMW. The host is questioning whether modern comfort and quietness goals make even an M3 lose some of that special feel.
The BMW M3 is BMW’s performance “M” model, traditionally built to feel like a driver’s car with sharper steering response and more direct chassis feedback than a regular 3 Series. In this segment, the host contrasts an M3 with a more commuter-focused 3 Series variant to discuss whether modern tuning and comfort goals dilute that “feelsome” character. The point is about how NVH and mounting/suspension choices can change the driving feel.
BMW M340I
"... example. Can you take a BMW 3 series, call it an M340i, which is designed to be a people mover. It's des..."
The BMW 3 Series is a mid-size car that’s meant to be comfortable for daily driving. It can also be offered in higher-performance versions. In the podcast, it’s mentioned to explain that some performance models are still designed to carry people comfortably.
The BMW 3 Series is a compact executive sedan known for balancing everyday comfort with sporty handling options. In the podcast, it’s used as a baseline example—specifically referencing an M340i concept—to explain how a performance model can still be designed to function as a practical “people mover.” It’s discussed because it helps frame the difference between performance-focused engineering and everyday usability.
Polestar BST
"So I'm looking at a Polestar BST right now. I don't know if you guys remember what that is. The Polestar is a great car at Polestar too. They made a BST edition and Polestar is a racing company."
Polestar BST is a special performance version of a Polestar car. The host is treating it as more track-oriented than a typical commuter setup. It’s brought up to discuss how different tuning choices can change the driving character.
Polestar BST is a performance-focused edition from Polestar, a brand known for electrified performance and track-oriented development. In the segment, the host frames it as a “racing company” product and starts describing what makes the BST edition different. This is relevant because it ties into the episode’s theme: how modern cars try to balance comfort/quietness with enthusiast “feel.”
force feel curve
"we had literally had a map that we called a force feel curve. So we know exactly how much force goes into the pedal."
A force feel curve is basically a chart of how hard you push versus what the system does in response. They use it to make the pedal/control feel consistent and predictable.
A force feel curve is a mapping between the force applied by the driver (like pedal or control-stick force) and the resulting position/response. Here, it’s used to ensure the driver’s input produces a predictable “feel,” and that the return path matches the forward path closely.
Gulfstream
"If you go back to this directional control system that we designed for Gulfstream, when we were designing this, we had literally had a map that we called a force feel curve."
Gulfstream is an airplane company. The speaker is saying they used similar control-feel engineering ideas on aircraft before applying the thinking to cars.
Gulfstream is an aircraft manufacturer known for business jets, and the host references designing a directional control system for that aviation context. The “place” label here is used only because the transcript frames it as a named program context rather than a car component.
hysteresis loop
"And then on the way back, it has to follow what's called a hysteresis loop. And that's very nerdy. But it has to, we have to minimize the hysteresis."
Hysteresis means the pedal can “feel” slightly different when you press it versus when you release it. They want the pedal to behave the same in both directions so the driver gets predictable feedback.
A hysteresis loop describes how a control input (like pedal position vs. force) can behave differently depending on whether you’re moving in one direction or reversing. In this context, the goal is to minimize hysteresis so the pedal’s force/position relationship is consistent on the way down and on the way back up.
dead band zone
"So if we design steering racks with really, really, really low dead band zone, so not a lot of movement like dead play, what you get is a really low small hysteresis loops"
Dead band is the tiny “slack” where you move the wheel but the car doesn’t really respond yet. Less dead band means steering feels tighter and more direct.
The dead band zone is the small range of motion where a control input (like steering rack movement) produces little or no effective response. Reducing dead band helps the driver feel immediate, precise changes rather than a “loose” or delayed center response.
dead play
"so not a lot of movement like dead play, what you get is a really low small hysteresis loops"
Dead play is the “slop” you can feel before the steering actually starts doing anything. Less dead play usually means more precise, confidence-inspiring steering.
Dead play is the amount of steering-wheel or linkage movement that doesn’t translate into motion at the wheels. It’s a feel-and-precision issue: more dead play makes the car feel less connected and harder to place precisely on the road.
Gs
"if I push with 15 pounds of force, I'm going to produce X number of Gs in either a turn or a loop or whatever."
“Gs” is a way to describe how strongly a car is accelerating compared to gravity. Higher Gs usually means harder cornering or stronger forces on the driver.
“Gs” refers to acceleration measured in multiples of Earth’s gravity (1 g ≈ 9.81 m/s²). The host is describing how a driver can predict the vehicle’s lateral/turning acceleration based on steering input and speed.
kinematics
"it really just comes down to friction in those things, that kinematics. If we can control those really well, you can get good feedback."
Kinematics is how the moving parts translate your input into motion. In a car, that translation is what determines how the steering or pedal feels to your hands and feet.
Kinematics is the study of motion—how parts move relative to each other—without focusing on the forces that cause the motion. In steering/pedal feel, kinematics affects how input travel translates into actual motion, which strongly influences perceived feedback.
friction
"it really just comes down to friction in those things, that kinematics. If we can control those really well, you can get good feedback."
Friction is what makes moving parts resist motion. If friction changes or is too high, the car’s controls can feel inconsistent—like the pedal or steering doesn’t respond the same way every time.
In control feel systems, friction is the resistance inside linkages, bearings, seals, and interfaces that can create inconsistent response. The host argues that controlling friction is central to reducing hysteresis and improving repeatable feedback.
0 to 60
"instead of just chasing 0 to 60 as an example, which is a ridiculous metric, or just horsepower"
“0 to 60” is a simple test: how fast a car can go from standing still to 60 mph. The host thinks focusing on that number can make cars less fun to drive in other ways.
“0 to 60” is a performance metric measuring how quickly a car accelerates from 0 mph to 60 mph. The host criticizes it as a “ridiculous metric” because it can encourage tuning for straight-line acceleration rather than overall driving feel.
diminishing returns
"this chasing these numbers, we're at this point of diminishing returns, right? So I think that some of these manufacturers are realizing"
“Diminishing returns” means you get less and less benefit for each extra improvement. The host is saying that pushing for higher speed and power is starting to stop paying off, so cars should focus more on how they feel to drive.
“Diminishing returns” means that after a point, each additional effort produces smaller improvements. In the segment, the host argues that chasing ever-higher speed and power numbers is reaching that point, so manufacturers should shift toward feel.
Halo
"And I do believe that there will be a trickle down effect of that, that if the Halo"
A “halo” car is the brand’s standout, attention-grabbing model. The idea is that if the brand improves that top car, some of those improvements can spread to cheaper cars too.
A “halo” model is a flagship product meant to create excitement and brand prestige, even if it isn’t the highest-volume seller. The host suggests improvements in the halo car’s development priorities can “trickle down” to more mainstream models.
EV
"Porsche just came out and said the 911 is never going to be EV. ... the race has largely been won by EV technology. Now, if EV truly becomes the standard..."
EV means electric vehicle. Instead of burning fuel, it uses electricity stored in a battery to move the car, and it tends to be very quiet and smooth.
EV means electric vehicle—cars powered primarily by electric motors and a battery. In this discussion, EVs are framed as being very smooth and quiet, which changes the sensory “feel” compared with combustion cars.
horsepower and torque
"I think many of us hope that this is a cycle, that there was a race for horsepower and torque, and the race has largely been won by EV technology."
Horsepower and torque are numbers that describe how strong a car’s powertrain is. Torque is the “pull” you feel when you accelerate, and horsepower is another measure of overall strength that affects how fast it can go.
Horsepower and torque are two different ways to describe engine output. Torque is the twisting force that helps with acceleration, while horsepower is a measure that combines torque and engine speed—together they shape how a car feels when you drive it.
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