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"Your Presence Is a Lie!" The 60-Second Car Deal: One Dealer's Bet on the Future of Retail (& The Numbers Behind It) | Jon Alcorn, Operating Partner at Dogwood Automotive Group

"Your Presence Is a Lie!" The 60-Second Car Deal: One Dealer's Bet on the Future of Retail (& The Numbers Behind It) | Jon Alcorn, Operating Partner at Dogwood Automotive Group

Car Dealership Guy Podcast Jun 02, 2026 48 min
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Jon Alcorn, operating partner at Dogwood Automotive Group, breaks down how dealership leadership, buyouts, and monthly reporting (“alumni”) connect to measurable performance. The conversation pivots to digital retail: moving from “pencil” deals to online-to-showroom workflows, speeding up quoting and ACV, and using transparency to improve customer comfort—while challenging the idea that “Your presence is your leverage.” They also compare lead handling and sales/tech scorecards, emphasizing integrated data and frictionless execution.

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Dodge Ram

"... open up and help run M and L Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram under Chris Morgan and Joe Bryson. Uh, and then w..."

The Dodge Ram is a large pickup truck made for work and everyday use. People buy it to tow trailers, carry cargo, and handle tasks that a regular car can’t. In the podcast, it’s mentioned as part of the dealership brands the group sells and supports.

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pencil

"Here's your pencil. [640.4s] Here's this, hold that, do this. ... [665.2s] So we don't pencil anymore."

“Pencil” is dealer slang for doing the deal math by hand—like figuring out what the price or monthly payment could be. They’re saying they stopped doing that with paper and moved to a faster digital process.

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digital retailing tool

"But I went with a digital retailing tool at the time, uh, that allowed the showroom [664.3s] to go with it. [665.2s] So we don't pencil anymore."

It’s a software system dealerships use to show prices and deal details faster, usually on a screen instead of doing everything by phone or paper. The goal is to get you the numbers quickly while you’re in the showroom.

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grosses

"Um, our grosses are up higher. [672.8s] The, um, the financing is we hold, we, we, we average about 89% finance [679.9s] penetration on customers."

In dealership talk, “grosses” is basically how much money the dealer makes on the sale. They’re saying their profit per deal went up after changing how they present the numbers.

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finance penetration

"The, um, the financing is we hold, we, we, we average about 89% finance [679.9s] penetration on customers. [682.6s] Um, so, so what's the tool?"

Finance penetration is the share of buyers who take a loan or lease through the dealer. If it’s 89%, that means 89 out of 100 customers are financing with the dealer’s finance options.

Brand

auto fi

"So we actually went to auto fi and, um, I love the auto fi folks. [692.3s] I think they're great."

“Auto fi” is the name of the software/service the dealership picked to help them show deal numbers and financing details more quickly. The host is saying they like the company behind it.

Term

team velocity

"And I went to, I'm going to team velocity, front to back everything. They have a lot of the capabilities that auto fi has."

“Team velocity” is the name of a company or software system the dealership is using. They’re saying it helps manage the customer journey from online to the showroom.

Concept

touch points

"transitions to the showroom digital pencil that we do and actually be able to see all those touch points from the beginning to the end is priceless."

“Touch points” means the different steps where you interact with the dealership—like online browsing and then the in-store paperwork and pricing. The dealer is saying they can follow that whole journey.

Term

free rooftops

"Not to mention by packaging free rooftops into one, I was able to save a little bit of money."

“Free rooftops” sounds like a marketing deal where the provider covers multiple dealership locations for free. The speaker is saying bundling those services saved them some money.

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credit

"Dogway doing a little different, you know, how powerful it is to say we, we don't control the numbers you do, Mr. Customer, we don't submit your credit. You do that's kind of how we do things is we look at a customer and say, Hey, you get to submit your own credit."

Here “credit” means the customer’s financial credit score/history used to set up car financing. The dealer is talking about letting the customer control the credit submission so they can see the financing results directly.

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rates

"So when they submit their credit, they get to see the callbacks right there. They get to see the rates."

“Rates” are the interest rates you’d pay to borrow money for the car. Lower rates usually mean lower monthly payments or less total cost.

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two points markup

"“So we offer everything at two points markup across the board.”"

“Two points markup” is a way to say the dealer adds a small, fixed percentage to the car’s price. It’s basically how much profit they’re building into the deal, expressed as percent points.

Term

BDC rep

"“Who’s your best BDC rep? … the one they answer every call with professionalism and know your inventory inside and out.”"

A BDC rep is a dealership employee who answers calls and helps handle customer leads. Their job is to keep leads moving toward a test drive, quote, or service appointment.

Brand

Mia

"“You might have guessed it, but Mia is not a human. She's the latest in AI call center technology…”"

Mia is an AI assistant that answers dealership calls and helps customers. It’s meant to respond quickly and handle common questions so shoppers can keep moving through the buying process.

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DMS

"“Mia seamlessly integrates with your CRM, DMS and inventory system to give you the best data possible.”"

DMS is the main software system dealerships use to run day-to-day operations. It often connects inventory, service appointments, and customer records in one place.

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deep digital retailing

"“One of the big criticisms of deep digital retailing in the past up until now is how fragmented it is.”"

Deep digital retailing means buying a car mostly online, using websites and tools to handle the steps that used to require a salesperson. The criticism is that it can feel scattered if each step is in a different place.

Concept

fragmented

"“One of the big criticisms of deep digital retailing in the past up until now is how fragmented it is.”"

Here, “fragmented” means the online buying process is spread across different systems that don’t talk to each other. That can make it harder for the dealership to keep everything consistent for the customer.

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one unified process

"“You played in the fragmented space, but then now you're saying, hey, we're aligning and we're taking it to one unified process.”"

“One unified process” means the dealership tries to run the whole online car-buying flow as one connected system. That helps avoid losing information between steps and makes the experience smoother.

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digital retail process

"all the way through the digital retail process online at home or in our showroom [942.5s] because you do, they have the capability where they see the callbacks and everything"

Digital retail is when you buy a car using the internet instead of going to the dealership in person. It usually includes steps like choosing the car, getting financing, and signing paperwork online.

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callbacks

"because you do, they have the capability where they see the callbacks and everything [945.5s] just the way they Autify did. ... [986.0s] They get to a point where they see the callback and at that point in time, the [990.1s] finance manager or business manager will reach out to them"

Here, “callbacks” means the dealership reaches out to you after you’ve done part of the online buying steps. It’s usually when a person needs to handle the next paperwork or approval step.

Brand

Autify

"just the way they Autify did. [947.8s] Are they able with your, are they able with your process to actually complete the [951.2s] transaction and fully purchase the vehicle?"

Autify is a software tool the dealer is comparing to their own process. The point is that it can manage parts of the online car-buying steps and trigger follow-ups when a person needs to step in.

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remote you sign

"[953.6s] I can remote you sign. [955.1s] There is, I've done it. [956.4s] We sell cars."

This means you can sign the car paperwork from wherever you are, not only at the dealership. It’s usually done electronically so the deal can move forward online.

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finance manager or business manager

"They get to a point where they see the callback and at that point in time, the [990.1s] finance manager or business manager will reach out to them and say, Hey, we have some [993.4s] very specific state required paperwork."

A finance manager (often called a business manager) is the dealership role responsible for completing the financial side of the deal. That typically includes arranging financing or leasing, and managing required paperwork and disclosures—especially the documents that vary by state.

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state required paperwork

"finance manager or business manager will reach out to them and say, Hey, we have some [993.4s] very specific state required paperwork. [996.7s] Some states require what's insured."

Different states require different forms when you buy a car. Even if you start the deal online, the dealership may need to make sure you complete the state-specific paperwork before everything is official.

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what's insured

"[996.7s] Some states require what's insured. [998.5s] Some don't. [999.3s] And that's where it kind of gets in the weeds."

Some states want proof that the car will be covered by insurance before the sale is finished. That can mean you have to provide insurance details or documents during the final online steps.

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maintenance package

"if you're not getting a maintenance package right now with the oil shortage coming in, we need to re talk how you're presenting maintenance packages."

A maintenance package is an add-on deal that pays for routine services for a while. Instead of you paying for each service later, it’s bundled into one plan when you buy the car.

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title work

"A lot of the title work and state work kind of messes that up. So yes, they can complete it on the outline."

Title work is the paperwork that officially changes who owns the car. It’s what the dealership has to do so the state records the car under your name.

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state work

"A lot of the title work and state work kind of messes that up. So yes, they can complete it on the outline."

State work is the paperwork the dealership has to do for the government so you can register the car. Different states have different rules, so it can slow things down.

Concept

fully transparent

"Um, do not in your model, how does being fully transparent, uh, help you hold more close, faster versus the old school approach?"

“Fully transparent” here means the dealership shows you the real details of the deal up front. Instead of hiding parts of the pricing, they explain how the numbers work so you can decide faster.

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units

"Okay. So units don't matter. We'll know they do."

“Units” means how many cars are sold. The point is that selling more cars doesn’t automatically mean the dealership makes more money.

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outbound activity

"Well, outbound activity doesn't matter. We'll know that matters too."

“Outbound activity” means the dealership reaches out to people first, like calling or messaging prospects. It’s tracked because it can create more leads, but it should still lead to real results.

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lead

"Well, how they handle their lead, that doesn't matter. No, that does."

A “lead” is someone who might buy a car. How the dealership handles that person—following up and responding—can determine whether they actually buy.

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COOs

"Cause if us as general managers, operating partners, COOs, whatever, if we don't know what they're getting graded on, how did they know?"

COO means Chief Operating Officer—basically the person in charge of running the business day to day. In a dealership, they focus on how efficiently the operation runs.

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shop efficiency

"Tech efficiency, shop efficiency. They say, Hey, your number of hours in your Bay versus number of hours we should"

“Shop efficiency” is a way to measure how well the entire service area is running. It’s not just one mechanic—it’s the whole workflow and how much work gets done.

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tech efficiency

"Tech efficiency, shop efficiency. They say, Hey, your number of hours in your Bay versus number of hours we should"

“Tech efficiency” means how effectively the mechanics are using their time to get jobs done. It helps a dealership see whether the service shop is running smoothly.

Term

Bay

"They say, Hey, your number of hours in your Bay versus number of hours we should go in and David along"

A “bay” is the service stall where a car is worked on. Measuring “hours in your Bay” helps track how busy and productive the shop is.

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outbound calls

"We expect you to make six calls per hour. You've made seven point two. You're a hundred and twenty percent effective in outbound calls."

Outbound calls are calls the dealership makes to people who might buy a car. The dealership tracks how many they make and how well they turn into appointments or sales.

Company

auto vision

"This episode is brought to you by auto vision. How many steps, teams, days, and dollars does your reconditioning process currently take..."

Auto Vision is a company that makes software for dealerships. They’re pitching tools that help dealerships manage and speed up the process of getting used cars ready to sell.

Term

reconditioning

"How many steps, teams, days, and dollars does your reconditioning process currently take for many dealerships, recon delays, slow down inventory..."

Reconditioning is what a dealership does to get a used car ready to sell. It can include repairs and cleaning, and if it takes too long, the car can’t be sold as quickly.

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cycle time

"reconditioning process currently take for many dealerships, recon delays, slow down inventory, turn and eat into used vehicle profits, reduce your cycle time with recon vision and automated reconditioning workflow..."

Cycle time means how long it takes to finish a task end-to-end. For dealerships, faster reconditioning means cars are ready to sell sooner.

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inventory turn

"recon delays, slow down inventory, turn and eat into used vehicle profits, reduce your cycle time..."

Inventory turn is how fast a dealership sells its cars. If cars sit too long, it costs money and hurts profit.

Term

recon vision

"reduce your cycle time with recon vision and automated reconditioning workflow that tracks vehicles from start to finish..."

Recon Vision is a tool that helps dealerships manage the used-car reconditioning process. The goal is to make it faster and easier to track what’s happening to each car.

Brand

Volvo

"John, how many sales people do you have among your three rooftops? Mazda, Volvo and, uh, Volkswagen."

Volvo is a car brand. The host mentions it because the dealership group sells Volvo cars at one of its locations.

Brand

Volkswagen

"Mazda, Volvo and, uh, Volkswagen. So currently we have 10. Uh, so the Mazda and the Volvo, uh, showroom is combined…"

Volkswagen is a car brand. The speaker is explaining how their dealership locations are set up for different brands, including Volkswagen.

Brand

Mazda

"John, how many sales people do you have among your three rooftops? Mazda, Volvo and, uh, Volkswagen."

Mazda is a car brand. Here it’s mentioned because the dealership group sells Mazda cars at one of its showrooms.

Concept

one property situation

"Volkswagen has their own showroom, but we're, again, we're kind of a one property situation, so anybody can really kind of sell anything."

It means the different brand dealerships are on the same site. That can let employees help with sales for more than one brand, instead of being locked into only one showroom.

Term

scorecard

"And is there a correlation between that hundred and 100 plus percent, uh, rating at the end of the month and units and gross, uh, or are you driving towards that? Like, are you looking for correlation between the scorecard and gross and unit sales…"

A scorecard is a dealership’s way of tracking how well each salesperson is doing. It usually uses a set of targets or rules, and it turns performance into a number so managers can compare people and reward the best results.

Term

washout commission check

"…what I've noticed pretty immediately was the higher the score, the better washout commission check the sales people got."

This is commission that can be reduced or reversed after the sale if the deal doesn’t end up working out. Dealerships use it to make sure salespeople get paid based on deals that actually complete and meet the rules.

Term

integrated data

"Now, one of the biggest obstacles to that is integrated data. So it's being able to pull the data points, whether it's calls inbound, outbound, whether it's engagement with messages, whether it's quality of video engagement with the video, and then ultimately the sale."

This means getting all the dealership’s customer information into one connected system. If the data isn’t connected, you can’t easily tell what marketing or sales steps actually lead to a car being sold.

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predictive of success

"Some of the other earlier, more predictive of success are the toughest to pull because they're across various platforms, John."

This means using early signals to guess whether someone will eventually buy a car. The idea is that some early behaviors are better predictors than just looking at the final result.

Term

CSV file

"I'm still developing some of the operating software stuff of it, but I'm pretty lucky right now because I can just have a CSV file sent out and I can kind of put a web hook out there and kind of read some of the data off of a manual entry sales law, but at the same time, your CRM is going to, your CRM is going to hold the majority of this data."

A CSV file is a simple way to store data in rows and columns, like a basic spreadsheet. It’s often used to export or import dealership numbers for analysis.

Term

web hook

"I'm still developing some of the operating software stuff of it, but I'm pretty lucky right now because I can just have a CSV file sent out and I can kind of put a web hook out there and kind of read some of the data off of a manual entry sales law, but at the same time, your CRM is going to, your CRM is going to hold the majority of this data."

A webhook is like an automatic notification that sends information from one computer system to another. Here it’s being used to help collect dealership data without manually copying everything.

Term

CRM

"So yes, and I'm kind of lucky right now. I'm still developing some of the operating software stuff of it, but I'm pretty lucky right now because I can just have a CSV file sent out and I can kind of put a web hook out there and kind of read some of the data off of a manual entry sales law, but at the same time, your CRM is going to, your CRM is going to hold the majority of this data."

CRM is the dealership’s system for tracking customers and leads. It helps organize all the conversations and activity so sales teams can follow up and measure what leads to buying.

Company

Dogwood Automotive Group

"Jon Alcorn, Operating Partner at Dogwood Automotive Group [2045.9s] because remember, if not what's easy for us, it's what's easy for the customer."

This is the dealership company the guest works for. They’re talking about how their dealerships are using new software to make car buying faster for customers.

Brand

Apollo AI package

"[2056.7s] we switched to team velocity with [2060.9s] the full Apollo AI package."

Apollo AI package is the dealership’s set of AI tools. The idea is that it helps the dealership answer customers faster and in a more organized way.

Brand

VINQ

"[2063.3s] We switched from VAUTO to VINQ, which has been absolutely awesome. [2068.1s] The hardest part about switching was changing 20 years worth of muscle memory"

VINQ is the newer platform the guest says they switched to from VAUTO. In this segment, VINQ is described as integrating directly with their AI workflow and helping deliver customer-facing information quickly.

Brand

VAUTO

"[2063.3s] We switched from VAUTO to VINQ, which has been absolutely awesome. [2068.1s] The hardest part about switching was changing 20 years worth of muscle memory"

VAUTO is the previous dealership software/tooling the guest says they replaced. They describe the switch as difficult because it required retraining their team’s “muscle memory,” implying VAUTO was deeply embedded in their workflow.

Term

speed of information to the customer

"[2078.3s] They integrate directly into VINQ, which the whole AI thing, we've talked to, [2084.6s] I don't know who talked about it, or was it a SOTUCon or whatever, it really is [2088.9s] speed of information to the customer."

This means getting the important info to shoppers quickly. Instead of making people wait or search, the system should summarize what matters right away.

Term

SOTUCon

"[2084.6s] I don't know who talked about it, or was it a SOTUCon or whatever, it really is [2088.9s] speed of information to the customer."

SOTUCon sounds like an industry event where people talk about dealership technology. The guest is referencing it as the place where this AI idea was discussed.

Term

60 second real quote

"[2107.6s] And so we are, as of a week from now, we are home to the 32nd actual cash [2114.2s] value for your vehicle, 60 second real quote. [2118.1s] And I'll stand behind it."

A “60 second real quote” is a fast price offer. Instead of waiting around, you can click it and see the quote right next to the car’s price.

Term

CTA stack

"I think on our Mazda site, we have to have it in a specific spot in the CTA stack, but it'll say 60 second quote, and you click on it..."

A “CTA stack” is the set of buttons on a website that tell you what to do next. It’s basically the page’s step-by-step prompts to get you to request a quote or start the process.

Term

AI page

"...it takes you to that AI page that literally walks you through the deal, and you can submit right there and get a bank approval right there."

An “AI page” is a website step-by-step form that uses software to help you through the quote process. Instead of waiting for someone, it tries to get you an answer quickly.

Term

bank approval

"...and you can submit right there and get a bank approval right there. The 32nd actual cash value for your vehicle..."

“Bank approval” means the lender says you qualify for the financing. Doing it quickly helps you avoid waiting around for paperwork later.

Term

actual cash value

"The 32nd actual cash value for your vehicle, it takes it directly into our VINQ system and appraises it right there."

“Actual cash value” is basically what your vehicle is worth in dollars, based on its condition and age. Here, they’re trying to give you that number almost immediately.

Term

AI deployment

"We have an AI deployment, so as soon as they're checked in, actually the day before they're checked in, if they have an appointment, our AI will reach out..."

An “AI deployment” just means the AI is actually being used in the business workflow, not just tested. In this case, it contacts customers around the time they check in for service.

Term

frictionless and contactless transactions

"There was also an interesting stat put out that for when you have frictionless and contactless transactions, customers feel as if they got a 15% better deal on that same product."

This means buying with as few steps as possible. “Contactless” usually means you don’t have to do as much in-person stuff—like signing or paying—because it’s handled digitally.

Concept

customers feel as if they got a 15% better deal

"for when you have frictionless and contactless transactions, customers feel as if they got a 15% better deal on that same product. Even though they possibly paid 10% more than they could have walking."

Even if the price isn’t actually lower, a smoother buying process can make people feel like they got a better deal. It’s about how the experience changes what the customer thinks they’re getting.

Concept

walking

"Even though they possibly paid 10% more than they could have walking."

In dealership negotiation, “walking” means leaving the dealership without buying—often used as leverage to push for a better price. The quote suggests customers may pay more when the process is easier, even though they could theoretically negotiate harder by walking away.

Concept

30 and 60 seconds to... know what the impact is

"So, we make it, John, are you, are you far enough down the road of implementing this, the 30 and 60 seconds to, to know what the impact is?"

They’re talking about testing changes and seeing the effect quickly. Instead of waiting weeks to find out if a new process works, they want early signals within about a minute.

Term

ACV

"So the 30 second to ACV, 50 seconds to quote and a full outlined sales process on our website, we'll go live on June one."

ACV is a way dealers talk about what a car is worth in real money. Here, they’re saying their site can generate an ACV estimate fast as part of their online sales process.

Term

AI

"You'll be able to go to the OEM site and get the 60 second quotes on the vehicles that go through AI."

AI means computer software that can make decisions or predictions. In this context, it’s being used to help generate car quotes faster through their online system.

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