"175 to 400 Cars a Month" — The Used Car Reframe That Changed Every Department | Rob Dell, VP at at Bob Ruth Ford
About this episode
Rob Dell, VP at Bob Ruth Ford, explains how his team rethinks used-car performance and leadership. The conversation centers on “destroying excuses,” knowing who to listen to, and building confidence in buyers and employees. Dell shares his accidental entry into the business, the “success breeds success” proximity effect, and how he identifies trustworthy leaders. Operationally, he describes clear expectations, accountability, and a six-person “pod” structure for delegation across departments—emphasizing real experience over AI hype.
Rob Dell runs a Ford store in a town of just 2,700 people, boxed in by a competing Ford dealer every seven miles. Instead of fighting for new car volume he could never win, he rebuilt his store around used cars, taking monthly volume from around 175 to close to 400.
In this episode, Rob breaks down the shift in thinking that made that growth possible. He explains why he stopped chasing a flat front-end profit number on every deal and started valuing every trade at a baseline of $3,500 once service, parts, and finance are factored in. He also gets into the historical data his buyers use to price a used car before it ever hits the lot, the five-thousand-dollar rule that keeps his team taking smart risks, and the six-person pod structure that keeps every manager focused without being stretched too thin.
You can connect with Rob on LinkedIn, where he posts regularly about the real numbers at his store, wins and losses included.
Michael's takeaway: the number that matters isn't how many cars you sell. It's understanding what one deal is actually worth once every department gets its share.
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(00:00) Championship Mindset
(00:53) Sponsor Message FlexDealer
(02:19) Accidental Start In Cars
(03:58) Choosing The Right Mentors
(06:49) Building Teams In Pods
(12:21) Leadership View And AI
(14:56) Quality Service Wins
(19:31) Used Cars Strategy Shift
(22:24) Buying Used Cars With Data
(25:49) Variable Vs Fixed Alignment
(33:38) No Excuses Who Said
(37:30) Learning From Mistakes
(40:47) Bison Mentality Closing
(41:57) Connect And Wrap Up
department-by-department reporting
"Well, I think they're looking at because again, it's by department, right? ... Every one of those sheets that manager of that department is responsible to make sure it gets filled in every day."
They’re describing a system where each department has to update its own numbers regularly. Those updates get combined so the dealership leadership can see what’s happening overall.
This describes a dealership operating model where each department is responsible for filling in its own reporting inputs daily. Those inputs then feed upward to create a unified performance picture for leadership.
acquisition team
"And like I spend 25% of my week with the acquisition team because I believe that feeds sales, finance, arts, service, right?"
The acquisition team is the dealership group that finds and buys cars to sell. If they bring in the right cars, it makes it easier for the sales and finance teams to make deals.
In a dealership context, the acquisition team is the group responsible for sourcing inventory—finding and buying used cars to stock the lot. Their work directly affects what the sales, finance, and service departments can do because it determines what vehicles are available.
crazy spreadsheet
"So we have this crazy spreadsheet we built that anybody could do, right? And you've seen it and that's why you're probably smiling, right?"
They’re talking about a detailed tracking sheet the dealership uses to collect daily updates. It helps everyone stay on the same page about how the dealership is doing.
The “spreadsheet” here refers to a dealership reporting system that tracks daily inputs from each department. It’s used to keep inventory and performance information aligned so leadership can see the overall picture.
30,000 foot view
"Then all that information feeds up as a whole picture called the 30,000 foot view."
It means looking at the big picture instead of getting lost in small details. They combine daily updates from different departments to understand how the whole dealership is trending.
A “30,000 foot view” is a management term meaning you step back from day-to-day details to see the dealership’s overall performance trends. In this segment, the daily department inputs roll up into that higher-level summary.
AI is a tool
"And it's usually three to six months down the road, you know, and go back to AI. I know AI is a tool, but you can't just plug it in think it's going to do something magical in a people business."
They’re saying AI can help, but it won’t magically fix problems by itself. You still need good processes and people to make it work.
The speaker frames AI as an assistive tool rather than an autonomous solution. The point is that AI still requires correct inputs, human process, and realistic expectations—especially in a people-driven business like retail automotive.
new car dealers are used car dealers
""...my response was new car dealers are used car dealers. Like the sooner they get that, the better off we're all going to be...""
This is a dealership strategy concept: even franchises that sell new vehicles still depend on used-car inventory, largely because customers’ trade-ins create the used supply. The episode argues that recognizing this early changes how departments prioritize marketing, pricing, and customer experience.
used car dealership
""...new car dealers are used car dealers. Like the sooner they get that, the better off we're all going to be...""
A used car dealership mainly sells cars that have already been owned. The point here is that even dealers that sell new cars often rely heavily on used cars coming from trade-ins.
A used car dealership is a store whose business model depends on selling pre-owned vehicles rather than relying primarily on new-car sales. The episode frames the idea that many “new car dealers” still operate like used-car dealers because trade-ins and used inventory drive volume and profit.
acquisition department
""...you just said, you spent 25% of your week in the acquisition department.""
At a car dealership, the acquisition department is the group that focuses on getting cars into the inventory. That can include buying cars directly and handling trade-ins, so the dealership always has vehicles to sell.
In a dealership context, the acquisition department is the team responsible for bringing inventory into the store—most commonly by buying cars (and often by managing trade-ins). Their work directly affects how many vehicles the dealership has available to sell, especially used cars.
trade-ins
""...that will also in turn give us trades and we will have more used cars to sell.""
Trade-ins are the vehicles customers give to the dealership when purchasing another car, with the trade-in value applied toward the new purchase. For dealers, trade-ins are a major source of used inventory, which then feeds the used-car sales pipeline.
COVID shortages
""...And then COVID happened and shortages happened and working with Rob like,""
“COVID shortages” refers to the supply disruptions during the COVID-19 era that limited vehicle availability and affected production and inventory levels. In dealership terms, shortages can shift sales toward whatever inventory is available (including used cars) and change how departments plan acquisition and marketing.
used car operator
"you have to understand the data to be a used car operator because you can get you know, anybody could go out and buy 300 cars, whether it's at the auction or wherever. But if you buy them wrong, you're going to go out of business"
A “used car operator” is basically a dealer that focuses on selling pre-owned cars. They have to know what they’re buying so they don’t end up stuck with cars they can’t sell for a profit.
A “used car operator” is a dealership or dealer group that makes its money primarily by buying, reconditioning, and selling pre-owned vehicles. The key idea is that success depends on understanding pricing and vehicle condition so you don’t buy cars that won’t sell profitably.
used car data
"you have to understand the data to be a used car operator because you can get you know, anybody could go out and buy 300 cars, whether it's at the auction or wherever."
“Used car data” is the dealer’s information about what similar cars sell for and what it will cost to fix them up. It helps them buy cars at the right price so they can resell them without losing money.
“Used car data” refers to the information dealers use to decide what to buy and at what price—typically including auction results, market pricing, recon costs, and expected resale value. In used-car businesses, this data is what turns buying decisions into predictable profitability.
buy them wrong
"But if you buy them wrong, you're going to go out of business just like that, right?"
“Buy them wrong” means the dealer pays too much or buys a car that needs more work than expected. Then they can’t sell it for a profitable price.
“Buy them wrong” is shorthand for making a bad acquisition decision—usually buying a vehicle at too high a price or with condition issues that drive up reconditioning costs. The result is that the car can’t be sold for enough margin to stay in business.
acquiring buying off the street
"in all of your experience acquiring buying off the street, being bullish on used cars, what is the kind of the baseline criteria that you are looking at?"
“Buying off the street” means getting cars from people directly, not just from auctions. It’s another way dealers build inventory.
“Buying off the street” describes sourcing vehicles outside the dealership’s normal channels—often meaning direct purchases from individuals or local sellers rather than only using auctions or trade-ins. It’s a sourcing strategy that can affect pricing, inventory variety, and turnaround time.
bullish on used cars
"in all of your experience acquiring buying off the street, being bullish on used cars, what is the kind of the baseline criteria that you are looking at?"
“Bullish on used cars” means you think the used-car market is strong and you expect to be able to sell them for good money. Dealers use that confidence to decide how much inventory to buy.
Being “bullish on used cars” means having an optimistic outlook that used-vehicle demand and pricing will support profitable sales. Dealers use this mindset to justify buying inventory aggressively when they believe the market will hold up.
baseline criteria
"being bullish on used cars, what is the kind of the baseline criteria that you are looking at? Like because I mean, we were together in in Scottsdale"
They’re about to ask what basic rules the dealer uses to decide which used cars are worth buying. It’s like the checklist behind their buying decisions.
The hosts are setting up a discussion about the “baseline criteria” used to decide which used cars to buy. This is a structural question that leads into the dealer’s decision framework.
historical data
"But where do I believe based on our data that we're going to transact and a lot of that historical data we have, right?"
Historical data is just past sales information. Dealers use it to guess what a similar car will sell for now, so they can decide what price to pay and still make money.
Historical data means using past sales/transaction records to predict what a dealer can buy and sell for today. In used-car buying, it helps estimate the likely sale price and the percentage of the market you’ll need to be at to move inventory profitably.
Ford F150
"in the last 30 days, 60 days, whatever 22 F 150 with 150,000 miles, I'm transacting at a certain dollar amount"
The Ford F-150 is a popular pickup truck. When dealers talk about buying and selling used ones, they often use recent sales data to estimate what a given mileage example should cost.
The Ford F-150 is a full-size pickup truck that’s one of the most commonly traded vehicles in the U.S. Used-car pricing for the F-150 is heavily influenced by mileage and trim/market demand, which is why dealers track recent transactions for specific mileage bands.
market percentage
"in the last 30 days... I'm transacting at a certain dollar amount, a certain percentage of the market."
Market percentage means pricing the car compared to what similar cars are selling for. Dealers use it to figure out what price will actually get the car sold while still making money.
Market percentage refers to pricing a vehicle relative to the broader market—often expressed as a percentage of a benchmark value or prevailing sale prices. Dealers use it to decide how far below (or above) the market they need to be to sell the car and still hit their profit targets.
profitability
"I just need to figure out how far behind that number I need to be in order to move the car and be profitable. And look, profitability isn't just front end margin."
Profitability is the overall ability to make money on a deal, not just the difference between what you pay and what you sell for. The host notes it includes more than front-end margin, implying back-end factors like reconditioning costs, warranties, financing/insurance, and other deal expenses.
front end margin
"And look, profitability isn't just front end margin. There's a whole lot of other things that go into"
Front end margin is the money a dealer makes on the car deal itself. It’s basically the difference between what the dealer pays for the car and what they sell it for.
Front end margin is the profit made on the vehicle itself from the sale price minus the purchase cost (and sometimes immediate acquisition/wholesale costs). Dealers often contrast it with back-end profit sources like finance and insurance products.
every trade is worth $3500 profit
"So, you know, the one big shift I had, and this is probably two years ago, I believe every trade is worth $3500 profit. Worst case scenario."
They’re saying the dealership should think of each used-car trade as making money in a few different ways, not only on the price of the car itself. The goal is to plan the whole dealership around turning every trade into profit.
The speaker is reframing used-car deals as a profit engine, not just a single front-end markup. The idea is to treat each trade-in as a predictable profit contribution that can be spread across multiple departments (service, parts, finance).
service department
"it's going to go through the service department. It's going to go through the parts department."
The service department is the dealership’s repair and maintenance operation, which can generate repeatable revenue after a customer buys a car. In this segment, it’s part of the “whole dealership” profit model tied to getting more trades and customers into the system.
parts department
"It's going to go through the service department. It's going to go through the parts department."
The parts department sells the replacement parts used to repair cars. In their strategy, parts sales are one of the ways the dealership earns money after the car is sold.
The parts department supplies replacement components used for repairs and maintenance, often creating additional margin beyond the initial vehicle sale. The speaker includes it as a downstream revenue stream that helps make each trade profitable even if the dealership makes little on the initial transaction.
finance
"Assume we make no money on the front end of the deal, then it's going to finance, then you have whatever else you have"
In dealership context, “finance” refers to arranging auto loans and leases, and it can be a major profit center through lender fees and interest-rate-related compensation. The speaker’s point is that the overall deal can still be profitable when front-end profit is assumed to be near zero.
47% of the time
"then it's going to finance, then you have whatever else you have and then 47% of the time you're going to get another trade"
This is a dealership forecasting assumption: a stated probability that customers will return with another trade. It supports the speaker’s “scaling” argument—if trades lead to repeat business, the profit model compounds across departments.
front of every deal
"I grew up in the world of, hey, you got to be $2,500 or $3,000 on the front of every deal. Yeah, well, it's real simple math."
Dealers often make money in two places: the car sale itself and the add-ons that come after. “Front-end” here means the profit from the sale transaction, not the later money from repairs or financing.
“Front-end” in dealership talk means the profit (or margin) made on the vehicle transaction itself—what you earn from the sale price and trade numbers before considering other revenue streams. The speaker contrasts this with a broader, whole-deal approach that includes service, parts, and finance.
scaling
"Take it to 500 on the front times 400 cars now start adding in all these other departments and that's where the scaling and the huge profitability can come from."
“Scaling” here means increasing dealership volume (more cars per month) so that fixed costs and staffing are spread over more transactions. The speaker argues that profitability grows disproportionately when you add revenue from multiple departments tied to each sale.
reconditioning estimate
"looked in and saw I put $2,500 as a reconditioning estimate. So he made it $2,505 like, you know, so but when"
When a dealership buys a used car, they often have to fix it up so it’s ready to sell. A reconditioning estimate is their estimate of how much that “getting it ready” work will cost.
A reconditioning estimate is the dealership’s cost projection to bring a used car up to sale-ready condition. It typically covers items like detailing, minor repairs, and any required service work before the vehicle is put on the lot.
variable
"when you open it up and look, they call variable variable for a reason. They call fixed fixed for a reason."
“Variable” costs are expenses that go up or down depending on what you’re doing. In a dealership context, it means some costs change based on how many cars need work or how much business you’re doing.
In dealership cost discussions, “variable” refers to costs that change depending on how many cars you sell or how much work is required. The speaker contrasts it with fixed costs to explain how reconditioning and other expenses behave as volume changes.
fixed
"they call variable variable for a reason. They call fixed fixed for a reason."
“Fixed” costs are expenses that stay about the same even if sales go up or down. Think of them like the dealership’s baseline bills that don’t instantly change with each car.
“Fixed” refers to costs that don’t change much with sales volume in the short term, like baseline overhead. The speaker is using fixed-vs-variable language to explain how dealership expenses should be modeled and managed.
blend the two together
"So this is what we talk about all the time. Like when you blend the two together, there's gentle waves and make sure the waves grow, right?"
The idea is to look at both types of costs together—some that change and some that don’t. When you manage them as a combined system, it helps keep things steady rather than unpredictable.
This refers to combining fixed and variable cost thinking into one operating model. The speaker’s point is that when you mix them correctly, you can smooth out how costs and workload behave instead of getting “spiky” results.
gentle waves
"Like when you blend the two together, there's gentle waves and make sure the waves grow, right?"
“Gentle waves” means things should ramp up smoothly instead of suddenly jumping around. It’s a way of talking about keeping the dealership’s workload and costs under control.
“Gentle waves” is a metaphor for smoothing dealership operations so workload and costs ramp up gradually rather than surging unpredictably. It implies better planning across departments (sales, service, reconditioning) as volume grows.
industry average sells 80 to 100 cars
"But you know, I think it's just the industry that every dealership in America on average sells 80 to 100 cars new and used, right?"
They’re talking about how many cars a typical dealership sells in a month. That number helps explain why planning and costs work differently at different store sizes.
The speaker frames dealership volume using an industry-average sales range for new and used cars. This sets context for why cost structure and inventory strategy matter at typical store scale.
large inventory
"if you tie all that together and it creates a great, you know, we have a large inventory so people can shop here."
“Large inventory” means the dealership has lots of cars available to look at. The point is that customers can find what they want more easily instead of getting stuck with the wrong car.
“Large inventory” is the dealership strategy of stocking enough vehicles that customers can shop and compare options in person. The speaker argues it reduces mismatch risk (wrong color/model) and increases the chance the team can find a solution.
concierge level service
"We want to feel like kings and queens and have this concierge level service. Even on a used car, you know, I"
It means the dealership acts like a personal assistant—fast responses, proactive help, and taking care of the details for you. The host is saying used-car customers should get that same kind of attention.
“Concierge level service” is a customer-experience standard where staff proactively handle details for you—like scheduling, follow-ups, and problem resolution—so you don’t have to. In a dealership context, it’s used to describe a premium, highly responsive experience even for used-car buyers.
Saturn SC2 coupe
"No, a Saturn SC2 coupe, the three door plastic."
This is a specific version of the Saturn Ion that’s a coupe and typically a more equipped trim. The point of mentioning it is to show that even when the car is inexpensive, the dealership can still treat the buyer well.
The Saturn SC2 coupe is a specific Ion trim/body style: “SC” refers to the coupe variant, and “2” typically indicates a higher equipment level within that lineup. It matters here because the host is using a real, low-cost used Saturn purchase to illustrate how dealership service and presentation can shape the customer experience.
Peugeot iOn
"...ybody's help was a 1990. I don't know 1995 Saturn Ion. No, a Saturn SC2 coupe, the three door plastic. ..."
The Peugeot iOn is a small car that runs on electricity instead of gasoline. It’s meant mainly for city driving and shorter trips. People talk about it because it’s an early, simple electric car option for everyday use.
The Peugeot iOn is a small electric city car focused on short-trip commuting and low running costs. It’s often discussed because it represents an early wave of practical, battery-electric vehicles aimed at everyday driving rather than long-distance performance. In a podcast, it may be mentioned as a specific example of an EV that’s compact and designed for urban use.
Saturn SC2
"... 1990. I don't know 1995 Saturn Ion. No, a Saturn SC2 coupe, the three door plastic. Yes. And I was lik..."
The Saturn SC2 is a small two-door car made by Saturn. It was designed to be an affordable, everyday vehicle. People bring it up because it’s a recognizable older model that was common on the used market.
The Saturn SC2 is a compact, front-wheel-drive coupe from Saturn’s lineup, known for its simple, practical design and the “SC2” trim being a common enthusiast reference point. It often comes up in discussions of older, budget-friendly cars because it represents a specific era of Saturn styling and ownership experience. In a podcast, it may be mentioned as an example of a small, affordable used car people considered or owned.
customer experience
"I bought a car at the end of last year from another dealership, right? I didn't have to buy the car, but I went through just like the customer experience, right?"
This is how the whole buying process feels to the customer—from the first contact to the final paperwork. The host’s point is that dealerships should treat used-car shoppers with the same care as new-car shoppers.
“Customer experience” is the end-to-end feeling a buyer has across every step—lead response, communication, negotiation, paperwork, and follow-up. The host frames it as something dealerships can measure and improve, not just a vague marketing term.
lead
"So I submitted a lead within three minutes, they called me, which in the industry is amazing, right?"
A “lead” is a person who might buy a car and has contacted the dealership. The faster the dealership responds, the better the customer experience tends to be.
In automotive sales, a “lead” is a potential customer contact—someone who expressed interest (often online or by phone) and is then routed to a salesperson or sales team. The host emphasizes speed of lead response as a key part of the customer experience.
negotiation
"So I submitted a lead within three minutes, they called me, which in the industry is amazing, right? I think we all agree to that. And we started talking, I wanted to negotiate."
Negotiation is the part where you and the dealer talk about price and deal details. The host is saying the dealership’s process matters even when you’re trying to negotiate.
Negotiation is the back-and-forth process of agreeing on price and deal terms between the buyer and dealership. In used-car strategy, how negotiation is handled (tone, transparency, speed) strongly affects perceived value and satisfaction.
down payment
"And they were like, alright, wire us the down payment this that the other thing."
A down payment is the money you pay first when you buy a car. It helps lock in the deal and can help the dealership move faster on delivery and paperwork.
A down payment is the upfront amount a buyer pays at the start of a purchase or financing agreement. In dealer conversations, it’s often used to secure the deal and can affect approval timing and how quickly the vehicle can be delivered.
wire
"And I was like, I think wires are dirty. Okay, like I don't know why."
A wire is an electronic transfer of money directly from your bank to the dealership’s bank. It’s often used for speed, but it’s important to confirm the details are legitimate.
A wire transfer is an electronic bank-to-bank payment method. Dealerships sometimes request wires for deposits because it can be faster than checks, but it also raises concerns for buyers about fraud and timing.
layers of communications
"So that's the big thing, like, and we have so many different layers of communications."
This is about how a dealership handles messages and updates through different people and teams. The idea is that customer feedback can move upward to leadership so problems get addressed.
“Layers of communications” refers to how information flows through multiple roles in a dealership—sales, customer-facing staff, and leadership. The speaker describes a process where reviews trigger escalation and feedback loops to leadership.
blow market value
"Like, you know, this guy wanted another five grand off and blah, blah, blah. And with the price was already great. It's blow market value, whatever."
The phrase means the car is already priced lower than what similar cars usually sell for. The point is that the customer’s request for more discount may not be justified if the deal is already strong.
“Blow market value” (as used here) means pricing the car below what the market typically pays for similar vehicles. The speaker is arguing that even if a customer asks for more money off, the price is already considered favorable relative to market comps.
objection
"And, you know, a lot of times you don't come up with the objection because you never asked the right question."
An objection is when a customer has a concern that makes them hesitate. The host is saying you can often prevent or handle it by asking the right questions instead of waiting.
In sales, an objection is a customer’s stated concern or reason for hesitation—often about price, timing, or terms. The speaker’s point is that objections can be avoided or resolved by asking the right questions early.
facility work out of space
"You know, you saw the facility work out of space. So we got to be efficient as all can be, right? There's cars on top of cars, but communication."
They’re saying the dealership is running out of room, but still managing to operate smoothly. It’s about using the space they have really well so cars can move in and out without chaos.
This phrase is describing how the dealership’s physical lot and building layout is being pushed to its limits. In practice, it means they’re handling inventory and customer flow efficiently even when space is tight.
cars on top of cars
"So we got to be efficient as all can be, right? There's cars on top of cars, but communication."
They’re describing a dealership that stores a lot of cars in a very tight space. It usually means they’re moving inventory quickly and organizing the lot carefully.
This is a vivid way to describe extremely dense vehicle storage on the dealership lot. It implies high inventory turnover and tight logistics, because cars are being staged very close together.
mindset
"It kind of ties into the whole mindset thing I want to talk to you about and how you guys have blown the lid off of your own mindsets."
They’re using “mindset” to mean the way the team thinks and decides what to focus on. It’s about whether they treat obstacles like “we can’t” or “we can figure it out.”
Here, “mindset” is being used as a management concept: how a dealership team frames constraints and chooses priorities. The speaker contrasts a limiting, excuse-based approach with an operational, can-do approach to selling and servicing cars.
approaching your store
"I mean, approaching your store and I don't mean this in a disparaging way, kind of an endearing way."
They’re talking about how the dealership runs its business—how the team handles the day-to-day. It’s more about teamwork and execution than just selling cars.
This is the episode’s operational theme: how a dealership “approaches” its store day-to-day. It’s about culture and execution across departments, not just sales tactics.
cars in and out of service
"this is the building packed deals flying the gong being gonged being banged bombed excitement cars in and out of service."
They’re talking about cars coming into the shop for service and then leaving after the work is done. It’s basically how busy and organized the service department is.
This refers to vehicles moving through the dealership’s service workflow—arriving for work, being processed, and then leaving after repairs or maintenance. It highlights throughput and scheduling discipline in the service department.
golf carts
"You know, the golf carts zipping around the lot showing people and it was kind of rainy too."
Dealerships sometimes use small electric carts to get around the lot quickly. It helps employees and customers move faster when the property is busy or spread out.
Golf carts are commonly used at dealerships to move staff and assist with customer navigation across large lots. They’re a practical tool for keeping operations moving when there’s a lot of inventory and foot traffic.
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