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“Warranty is Exploding!” How Dealerships Are Capturing the $32B Revenue Surge + Winning Strategies | Jim Roche, CEO of Warrcloud

“Warranty is Exploding!” How Dealerships Are Capturing the $32B Revenue Surge + Winning Strategies | Jim Roche, CEO of Warrcloud

Car Dealership Guy Podcast Apr 30, 2026 28 min
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Jim Roche makes the case that warranty work is becoming a bigger profit engine for dealers even as customer-pay service slows. He points to rapid warranty growth, shrinking after-warranty retention, and the cash tied up in receivables. The discussion also pushes dealers to tighten claims processing, capture recalls, and rethink staffing with automation. Roche closes by arguing that fixed ops deserves more executive attention and that AI should be part of the operating playbook.

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retention

"Retention is the lifeblood of any dealership because, you know, you get service and then that sells the next vehicle. The fewer of those at bats we get, the harder it is to maintain brisk vehicle sales."

Dealers use “retention” to mean keeping customers coming back. If you get people in for service after they buy a car, they’re more likely to buy again later.

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warranty revenue

"Fixed operations now drives over 53% of total dealership gross, fueled by a 33% explosion in warranty revenue. Jim breaks down why this shift is happening, how dealerships are accidentally driving customers to independent shops, and the specific technology needed to capture every dollar your store is entitled to."

Warranty revenue is the money a dealership earns for repairs covered under the vehicle manufacturer’s warranty. In this segment, the host emphasizes that warranty work is growing fast and is becoming a larger share of dealership profit.

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fixed operations

"Fixed operations now drives over 53% of total dealership gross, fueled by a 33% explosion in warranty revenue. Jim breaks down why this shift is happening, how dealerships are accidentally driving customers to independent shops, and the specific technology needed to capture every dollar your store is entitled to."

Dealerships are usually split into two money areas: selling cars and running the service/parts side. “Fixed operations” is the service and parts side that keeps making money after the sale.

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independent shops

"Jim breaks down why this shift is happening, how dealerships are accidentally driving customers to independent shops, and the specific technology needed to capture every dollar your store is entitled to."

Independent shops are regular repair businesses that aren’t tied to a specific car brand dealership. The episode is saying some dealership practices may be driving customers away from the dealership.

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customer pay

"This was from our conversation last year and that was growing about 19% per year. Compare that to customer pay growth, which was growing at about 2%."

“Customer pay” refers to repairs and service work that the customer pays for out of pocket, rather than being covered by warranty. Comparing customer-pay growth to warranty growth helps show where dealership service revenue is shifting.

Company

NADA

"So all of these stats that I cite are from NADA and they released last year's figures just recently. And the results, frankly, are amazing."

NADA is a group that tracks and reports industry data for car dealers. In this episode, the host is using NADA numbers to support the warranty-growth claims.

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core OEM warranty

"So last year warranty and when I say warranty, we're talking about core OEM warranty, not extended warranty. "

“Core OEM warranty” means the warranty that the car maker includes when you buy the vehicle. It’s different from an extended warranty that you might purchase later.

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recalls year over year

"So it seems so recalls. If you look at recalls year over year, the volume of recalls was flat. And if you look at warranty rate reimbursement, that's three to four percent per year."

“Recalls year over year” means looking at whether the number of recalls is going up or down each year. In this segment, they’re saying recalls aren’t increasing much, so warranty growth must be coming from something else.

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warranty covered

"So I think what it is fundamentally is we're selling plenty of cars, right? So we're seeing, you know, 15, 60 million new cars on the road every year. And those are all warranty covered."

“Warranty covered” means the car’s repairs are eligible to be paid for under the warranty. If lots of cars are still within their warranty period, there are more warranty repairs to do.

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dealer service departments

"Do you see warranty continue to make up a bigger chunk of dealer service departments? I do. Yeah. And I think there's two parts of that."

A dealer’s service department is where the shop does maintenance and repairs. Warranty work can bring in a lot of business for that department, so if warranty grows, service departments can benefit.

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third party independence

"Are we just the industry losing customers to third party independence at a greater clip? Or what am I missing?"

This is about non-dealer repair shops—independent garages—that do car service. The host is wondering if more customers are choosing them instead of dealerships after the warranty period.

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after warranty service opportunities

"You know, we are we are getting a smaller and smaller percentage of after warranty service opportunities."

“After warranty service opportunities” are repair and maintenance jobs that happen once the factory warranty coverage ends. The speaker is concerned that dealers are getting a smaller share of those jobs, which affects ongoing service revenue.

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death spiral

"Yeah, that drives more customers away and then we're in this like death spiral."

A “death spiral” is a situation where one problem makes the next problem worse. Here, higher prices drive customers away, so dealers lose business and feel pressured to raise prices again.

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aftermarket

"We're seeing more of it go to the aftermarket. I'm sure there are pockets where people are aware of this, but I think broadly speaking, that is the trend"

The “aftermarket” is everything outside the car brand’s own dealer system. It usually means independent repair shops and non-dealer parts.

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warranty work

"OK, so on the bright side here, warranty work is rising."

“Warranty work” is when repairs are paid for under the car’s warranty. The dealer does the work, and the warranty coverage is what pays for it.

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tech dissatisfaction

"in the top five reasons for tech dissatisfaction, warranty work was one of the top five."

Tech dissatisfaction means technicians aren’t happy with how things are going at work. With warranty repairs, problems with how the shop gets paid back can make technicians feel shortchanged.

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warranty claim

"when you go through and you process the claim, you may not pick up two tenths here or three tenths there or this $25 fee"

A warranty claim is the paperwork the dealership sends in to get paid for a warranty repair. If the claim isn’t filled out correctly, the shop may not get reimbursed enough.

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efficiency

"You know, fast claims, all this efficiency. What are you actually doing there?"

Here, “efficiency” means getting warranty repairs done quickly and without lots of delays. It’s about making the shop’s workflow run smoothly.

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warranty RO count

"And that's both the dollar value of the claim and the warranty RO count. Warranty RO count for two years is up 12 percent."

An “RO” is a repair order—basically the paperwork that starts a repair job. “Warranty RO count” means how many warranty repair jobs the shop is doing. If that number goes up, the shop is handling more warranty work overall.

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repair order

"And that's both the dollar value of the claim and the warranty RO count. Warranty RO count for two years is up 12 percent."

A repair order is the shop’s official work ticket for a car repair. It records what the car needs, what the technician finds, what gets fixed, and how it gets billed—sometimes through warranty.

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increased complexity of vehicles

"If you're relying on that single person in the store to handle that much more volume and the increased complexity of vehicles so the warranty claiming process is more complex, I just don't think that's the smart thing that you want to do."

Newer cars have more computers and sensors than older ones. That can make it take longer to figure out what’s wrong and can also mean more steps and paperwork when you’re trying to get the repair covered by warranty.

Company

WarCloud

"We I wrote in circles that to all the dealers that were recording and you said, hey, who's a WarCloud user who has questions?"

WarCloud is mentioned as a tool or service that dealers can use for warranty work. The host is basically asking how AI and automation would change what dealers do when submitting warranty claims.

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AI impact this entire process

"but what how does AI impact this entire process? Does AI do the warranty claim for me over the next month's year?"

The segment discusses how AI could affect the warranty workflow—especially how claims are prepared, submitted, and managed. The dealer’s question is whether AI could effectively “do the warranty claim” over a time period, implying automation of parts of the process rather than just assisting technicians.

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DMS

"You have to be in the DMS, get the claim out of the DMS and get it to the OEM."

DMS is the dealer’s computer system for managing service work. When a warranty claim is filed, the dealer pulls the claim details from this system.

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RO

"...because of the variable nature of how the RO is written up"

An RO (repair order) is the paperwork the shop writes when it works on a car. It includes what the problem was and what the shop did, and that information is used for warranty decisions.

Brand

podium

"This episode is brought to you by podium. If you're like most dealers, you've probably tried some version of AI by now."

Podium is a tool dealers use, and the speaker says it’s actually helping rather than just being marketing hype. The point is that dealers are finding it useful for their day-to-day needs.

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voice

"They consolidate sales, service, messaging and especially voice into one customizable platform so you're not stacking a bunch of disconnected systems. And let's be real, the phone is still where a lot of money is won or lost."

Here, “voice” means the AI can handle phone calls—like answering, routing, and escalating requests—so customers reach the right place faster. It’s meant to improve how calls turn into booked appointments and completed service.

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NCM

"Well, yeah, so in Q1, our friends from NCM and Presidio, you know, they published dealer performance data."

NCM is mentioned as one of the organizations that releases data about how dealerships are performing. The hosts use that data to talk about trends in dealership revenue.

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Presidio

"Well, yeah, so in Q1, our friends from NCM and Presidio, you know, they published dealer performance data."

Presidio is mentioned as a company that shares dealership performance information. The podcast uses that information to show how much service-related revenue matters.

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F&I

"The rest of it was divided up between new vehicle, used vehicle and F&I. You know, previously the high had been fifty point two percent."

F&I is the part of a dealership that handles financing and insurance products. It’s where things like loans and add-on coverage are sold, and it can contribute to dealership profit.

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margin compression

"...the margin compression that we're seeing in both new vehicle sales and used vehicle sales, you know, we're making less money selling cars."

Margin compression means dealerships keep less profit from each sale. Costs and pricing pressures squeeze the amount of money they earn on selling cars.

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net

"...their gross is growing, but their net is staying flat or possibly declining?"

Net is the final profit (or loss) after you pay the dealership’s bills. The concern is that warranty revenue might not be enough to cover rising expenses.

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gross

"...their gross is growing, but their net is staying flat or possibly declining?"

Gross is the money a dealership makes before counting all the expenses. Net is what’s left after expenses, so gross can rise while net stays flat.

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leaky bucket syndrome

"...this like leaky bucket syndrome where their expenses are creeping or for some reason, while their gross is growing, their net is not from the warranty specifically?"

It’s a way to describe a situation where money comes in, but something is “leaking” it out—like rising costs or inefficiencies. So the dealership doesn’t end up better off even if sales look stronger.

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warranty rate reimbursement

"...dealers should be regularly doing a warranty rate reimbursement, whether petitioning the factory to raise the labor rate and parts markup to retail."

When a car is under warranty, the dealer does the repair and then gets reimbursed. Warranty rate reimbursement is the amount the dealer is paid for that work, especially for labor and parts.

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labor rate

"...petitioning the factory to raise the labor rate and parts markup to retail."

Labor rate is what the dealership gets paid (or charges) for technician time. If the warranty labor rate is low, warranty work can be less profitable.

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parts markup

"...raise the labor rate and parts markup to retail."

Parts markup is the extra amount a dealer makes on parts used for repairs. If warranty reimbursement doesn’t allow enough markup, the dealer may not earn much on warranty jobs.

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open recalls

"...identify open recalls in your market area, in your inventory, even in your service lane, and make sure those are coming in."

An open recall is a car that still needs a manufacturer-mandated fix. If the dealer finds these cars early, they can get the repairs done under warranty.

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recall work

"you're saying bring in the recall work that's going to grow your warranty business, [919.4s] rely as much as possible on technology to actually do your claims a third."

A recall is when a carmaker says a problem needs fixing on certain cars. Dealers do that repair for the customer, and it can bring in business because it’s handled through the manufacturer’s process.

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economies of scale

"is that the larger stores, one there, they can get economies of scale. [978.2s] But the other is that there seems to be a much higher focus on schedule hygiene."

Economies of scale means bigger operations can often do things cheaper because they spread costs across more work. Larger dealer groups may process more warranty claims with less cost per claim.

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schedule hygiene

"But the other is that there seems to be a much higher focus on schedule hygiene. [986.0s] "

Schedule hygiene refers to keeping the service schedule accurate and well-managed—minimizing no-shows, correcting appointment details, and ensuring the right work is booked and ready for technicians. In warranty-heavy operations, better schedule hygiene can improve throughput and reduce wasted labor time.

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warranty receivable

"You know, the warranty receivable is the dealership's second largest receivable after new vehicle inventory."

When a dealership fixes a car under warranty, the dealership usually gets reimbursed later. That expected reimbursement is called a warranty receivable, and getting it paid quickly helps the dealership’s cash flow.

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war schedule

"In response to that, we've developed a series of tools, something we call war schedule, that essentially gives the dealer the ability to drill down to a single warranty RO or pull back and look at the trends for a zero to 30, 30 to 60, 60 to 90."

“War schedule” is a software tool for tracking warranty reimbursements. It helps dealers look at one specific repair claim or see overall patterns over time.

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zero to 30, 30 to 60, 60 to 90

"...look at the trends for a zero to 30, 30 to 60, 60 to 90."

They’re grouping unpaid warranty reimbursements by how many days they’ve been waiting. If more money sits in the older buckets, it usually means the dealership isn’t getting reimbursed as fast as it should.

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cash flow

"I mean, it's obviously cash flow and you want to get it in this because you get it as quickly as possible."

Cash flow is how quickly money comes into the dealership versus how quickly it goes out. Getting warranty reimbursements paid faster means the dealership has more cash to keep operations running.

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treasury

"...versus dipping into the treasury just by making sure that you're increasing the velocity of your warranty receivables."

Here, “treasury” just means the company’s cash reserves. The point is that better warranty payment timing can reduce the need to dip into those reserves.

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freed up capital

"You know, the number that they threw out was about $6 million in freed up capital that they can use for investment into other areas of operations..."

It means the dealership finds money it can use elsewhere because it’s getting paid sooner. The podcast uses warranty collections as the reason that cash becomes available.

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thousand dealers

"You had mentioned to me as well before this podcast that you have now crossed a thousand dealers, which is remarkable progress..."

They’re saying their solution is now used by a lot of car dealerships—over a thousand. It’s meant to show the approach is gaining traction.

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Bob and Gladys factor

"You know, we call it the Bob and Gladys factor. You know, I have more dealers and I can count who say the Bob and Gladys factor."

It sounds like a nickname for the power of relationships. If someone (Bob) has been around a long time and people trust him, the dealership tries to keep him happy and involved rather than replacing him.

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open wrecks or open jobs

"Now, the thing is, is that the typical dealership has at least three open wrecks or open jobs. So what we always say is we don't want you to fire Bob."

This is basically saying the dealership always has cars in the shop that are still being repaired. Those unfinished repair orders are what they mean by “open jobs.”

Company

CDG Recruiting

"This episode is brought to you by CDG Recruiting. Here's the truth. Top dealers don't leave talent to chance. That's why I built CDG Recruiting..."

CDG Recruiting is a service that helps car dealerships hire key managers. They focus on leadership roles like general managers and people who run finance and the service department.

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F and I talent

"the best were placing general managers, F and I talent, service directors, controllers, you name it."

“F and I” stands for Finance and Insurance—the department and staff responsible for selling financing, warranties, and insurance products at the dealership. These roles are central to warranty-related revenue because warranty products are often sold or managed through the F&I process.

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acquisition

"the landscape is going to be an acquisition that's announced tomorrow. There was one couple of acquisitions announced a couple of weeks ago. I mean, things are moving, right?"

An acquisition is when one business buys another business. In the car-dealership world, it usually means bigger companies are growing by purchasing other dealerships or dealership groups.

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warranty reimbursements

"streamlining all warranty claims and you mentioned warranty reimbursements, recalls, these are great just pieces of advice"

Warranty reimbursements are the payments a dealer receives after submitting approved warranty claims for labor and parts. The timing and approval rate of reimbursements can strongly affect a dealership’s margins and service department operations.

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AI

"Well, where I would start and this might be one of the reasons why we're seeing slower uptake, you'll see is if I'm a dealer principal... go out and just take a primer on AI because people tend to talk to say AI like it's just this thing and it's not AI is many things that fall under the AI umbrella, right?"

Here, “AI” means computer tools that can learn patterns and help with tasks—like answering questions or analyzing information. The host is saying dealerships should understand the different types of AI, not treat it like one single thing.

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GPT

"You've got GPT, you have natural language processing, you have a genetic AI. Once you understand the different the different disciplines of AI..."

GPT is a kind of AI that can write and respond in a human-like way. Dealerships can use it to help generate messages or answers faster, especially for customer communication.

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natural language processing

"You've got GPT, you have natural language processing, you have a genetic AI. Once you understand the different the different disciplines of AI..."

Natural language processing is how AI understands what people are saying or writing. In a dealership setting, it can help software read customer messages and figure out what the customer needs.

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data lakes

"you see just the ability to go listen to Ryan Rohrman talk about customer data platforms and data lakes. It's like you think you're talking to the CTO of like a private tech company."

A data lake is like a big storage area where a company keeps lots of information. Instead of organizing it right away, it stores it so later tools can analyze it and find patterns.

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customer data platforms

"you see just the ability to go listen to Ryan Rohrman talk about customer data platforms and data lakes. It's like you think you're talking to the CTO of like a private tech company."

A customer data platform is a system that gathers customer info from different places and puts it into one profile. Dealerships use it to better understand customers and tailor outreach instead of treating every lead the same.

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used vehicle sales

"margin compression and new vehicle sales, margin compression and used vehicle sales."

Used vehicle sales are sales of cars that were owned before. Dealers watch this closely because it can be a big part of their revenue, especially when new cars are harder to sell.

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new vehicle sales

"margin compression and new vehicle sales, margin compression and used vehicle sales."

New vehicle sales means selling brand-new cars. The episode is saying that dealers are facing tighter profits even in this category.

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tariffs

"Who knows what's going to happen with tariffs? Who knows what's going to happen with EV?"

Tariffs are extra taxes on imported products. If cars or parts are imported, tariffs can make them more expensive, which can ripple through pricing at dealerships.

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EV

"Who knows what's going to happen with tariffs? Who knows what's going to happen with EV?"

EV means electric vehicle—cars powered by electricity instead of gasoline. The episode is saying dealers aren’t sure how the EV market will change next.

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operational efficiencies

"finding operational efficiencies in your business is paramount. And the low hanging fruit there is with is is an AI."

Operational efficiencies are improvements that help a business do the same work faster or with fewer resources. In a dealership, that could mean reducing paperwork, speeding up follow-ups, or improving how teams handle leads.

Concept

AI summit

"Walser Auto Group in Minnesota on the platform and they were saying that Walser just did a two day or recently they did a two day like AI summit for the team"

An AI summit here is basically a focused training session for dealership leaders. The goal is to learn how to use AI tools in real day-to-day work, not just talk about them.

Company

Walser Auto Group

"Jim, we just had a general manager from Walser Auto Group in Minnesota on the platform and they were saying that Walser just did a two day or recently they did a two day like AI summit for the team"

Walser Auto Group is a car dealership company. In this episode, they’re used as an example of investing time to train managers on AI tools.

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workflows

"the way we're structuring it is we're taking everyone is sharing their workflows that are applicable and tactical that others can use."

Workflows are the usual steps someone follows to get a job done. Here, the idea is to share practical ways AI fits into those daily steps at a dealership.

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AI tutorial

"[1668.8s] You know, you guys come up with a with a one hour, two hour, you know, AI tutorial [1673.4s] or primer for the industry or they'd be lined up outside the door."

An “AI tutorial” here is training content generated or delivered with artificial intelligence to educate dealership staff or customers. The idea is to speed up onboarding and improve how the industry understands and implements warranty-related offerings.

Company

Warrcloud

"OK. [1680.1s] Jim Roche, War Cloud, Jim, thanks for coming on. [1683.2s] Always a pleasure."

Warrcloud is the company the guest is with. They’re talking about tools and training that dealerships can use around warranty programs.

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