Eleven After Nine | A Porsche Culture Podcast

Eleven After Nine | A Porsche Culture Podcast

Derek

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A Porsche podcast for everyday owners — Derek from ElevenAfterNine has honest conversations about buying, owning, and driving these cars in the real world. No press cars and no sponsored opinions. Honest talk from someone deep in the culture and interviews with people who live it too.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Real Porsche Drivers Choose the Base, Not the S?

Thinking about a Porsche and stuck between a base car and an S badge? This episode is for you.Will and Derek break down what actually separates Porsche base models from S models, going past forum noise and badge ego. If you have ever heard “you only buy a base because you can’t afford an S,” you will want to hear this.In this episode you’ll hear: – Why Porsche created base and S trims in the first place – How the split goes all the way back to early 356 and long-hood 911s – Real differences in power, torque, brakes, wheels, and cooling between base and S – Why older, lower horsepower cars benefit more from the S upgrade – How modern turbo motors shrink the gap between base and S – Why a base 997, 991, 986/987 Boxster, or 981/718 can feel closer to an “old school” Porsche – How S models can be too fast to enjoy on real roads – Why the base often lets you use more of the rev range and more of the chassis – When an S absolutely makes sense for track use, canyons, or big straight roads – How this plays out with 991.2 vs 992, Carrera T, and air-cooled vs water-cooled cars – Practical advice for first-time buyers and repeat Porsche ownersWill talks through his own journey from “unapologetic S snob” to someone who now respects base cars in a serious way. Derek argues that many experienced drivers quietly prefer the base, and that real driver engagement lives in the cars everyone overlooks.If you are cross-shopping: – Base vs S 911 (997, 991, 992) – Base vs S Boxster or Cayman – Base vs S Macan or Cayenneyou will get clear, honest guidance on what actually matters and what is marketing.Chapters: 00:00 Welcome to Rennthusiast Radio 01:00 Why base vs S feels like Boxster vs 911 03:00 History of base vs S from 356 to modern cars 06:30 Psychology, pricing, and how Porsche moves you up the ladder 10:30 “Embrace the base or say yes to the S” 13:00 Real power, torque, and brake differences 18:00 Will’s S snob phase and what changed 24:00 Air-cooled vs water-cooled: why S matters more in old cars 29:00 Why base feels more like a classic Porsche on real roads 35:00 991.2 Carrera S vs 992 Carrera T back to back 40:00 Tunes, torque, and modern turbo tricks 44:00 Practical buying advice: who should pick base, who should pick S 50:00 Listener challenge: defend your side in the commentsWatch Will’s builds and ownership stories on the Rennthusiast YouTube channel.Watch Derek’s reviews and road trips on ElevenAfterNine.Listen to Rennthusiast Radio on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and all major podcast apps.Tell us in the comments what you own, base or S, and whether we got this right or completely wrong. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Nov 25, 2025 46 min 36 annotations

Upgrade Guide for a Driver Focused Porsche

You bought a Porsche because you want a car that feels alive on the road. This episode gives you a simple plan to turn that car into a true driver focused machine. Will and Derek break down the upgrades that matter, the ones that do nothing, and the traps new owners fall into when they start buying parts before they even drive the car.You will hear what actually improves feel, control, and confidence across multiple generations of 911, Boxster, and Cayman. No hype, no wasted money, just real experience from two guys who have owned and driven these cars for years.In this episode you will learn: • When to use PPF, when to skip ceramic, and how to protect your paint the right way • Which exhaust changes add character without making the car miserable • Why a short shift kit and fresh bushings can transform older gearboxes • How to clean and service the pedal box for a better clutch feel • What steering wheels work on older cars, and why some modern swaps fit and others do not • How PIWIS steering profiles change the feel of newer cars • Why Michelin PS4S tires are the best all round choice • Why old rubber with “good tread” is still unsafe • How suspension fades over time and why fresh dampers can bring a tired car back to life • When corner balancing and a proper alignment change the way the car responds • Simple seat repairs that make the car feel new againIf you want sharper shifts, better turn in, more grip, and a cleaner connection to the chassis, this guide gives you a clear path. Follow these steps before you spend big money on unnecessary mods.Hosted by Will from Rennthusiast and Derek from ElevenAfterNine. Subscribe for more Porsche reviews, ownership stories, and weekly podcast episodes. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Nov 18, 2025 50 min 34 annotations

Can You Trust an Old 911? Fire Risk, Winter Storage, and the Best $100K Air-Cooled Porsche

This week, Will and Derek dig into YOUR questions in our first-ever listener Q&A episode — covering everything from whether you can actually trust an old 911 on a long trip… to which air-cooled 911 is the smartest buy under $100K. In this episode:Can you trust an air-cooled 911 to take your kid on a road trip — or are you asking for trouble?Do you really need a fire extinguisher in the car? What actually causes those classic Porsche fires?The right way to store your 911 for winter (battery tender, fuel stabilizer, starting it monthly — or not?)What’s the best first air-cooled 911 for under $100K if you already own a modern GT car?Will & Derek’s backstory — how we met, what we do for a living, and how Rennthusiast Radio started.The Safari 911 debate: still cool or completely played out?This episode is built entirely from listener questions — so thank you to everyone who sent one in. If you want us to do another, drop your next question in the comments below. We’ll pick our favorites for the next Q&A episode. Listen on audio: Rennthusiast Radio — available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and everywhere else you get your shows. Watch more from us:Will’s channel → @RennthusiastDerek’s channel → @ElevenAfterNine Chapters / Topics: 00:00 – Why this episode is different 01:20 – Can you trust an old 911 on a road trip? 04:51 – Air-cooled vs. water-cooled reliability 07:28 – Fire risk in classic Porsches: myth vs. reality 09:29 – How to store / winterize your 911 properly 12:39 – Best first air-cooled 911 under $100K 15:11 – Who are Will & Derek? 18:54 – How the podcast started 31:22 – Our global audience 33:02 – The Safari 911 debate Your Turn: What should we talk about next time? Drop your question or topic idea in the comments!#Porsche #AirCooled911 #RennthusiastRadio #PorschePodcast #Classic911 #Porsche911 #PorscheLife #PorscheCommunity #PorscheOwnership #ElevenAfterNine #Rennthusiast #PorscheTalk #CarPodcast #PorscheFans #PorscheAddict #PorscheStories #PorscheRestoration #PorscheCollector #PorscheLove #PorscheDriver #PorscheNation Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Nov 04, 2025 38 min 32 annotations

The Carrera T: Brilliant Driver’s Car or Overhyped Marketing Trick?

In this week’s episode of Rennthusiast Radio, Will and Derek go head-to-head on the 992.1 Carrera T. Will actually owned one—specced it, drove it, and sold it after only a few thousand miles. Derek’s driven several 992s and just dropped a full review on his channel, ElevenAfterNine, comparing the modern T to his 1972 911 T.Is the Carrera T a genuine driver’s car built for purists, or a marketing exercise in nostalgia? We dig into:- Will’s real-world ownership experience—why it didn’t live up to the hype- How the modern T compares to earlier generations (991.2 T, 911 E/S)- Rear-axle steering, manual gearbox feel, and the “purity paradox”- What Porsche got right—and what makes it feel a little too digital- Will’s latest garage shake-up and his growing itch for another air-cooled 911If you’re considering a Carrera T—or just love hearing two longtime Porsche addicts argue their way to the truth—this one’s for you.Watch Derek’s full Carrera T review on ElevenAfterNine:https://www.youtube.com/@ElevenAfterNineWatch Will’s 992 T playlist:https://www.youtube.com/@TheRennthusiastTell us in the comments: Is the Carrera T Porsche’s best modern driver’s car… or just a clever upsell?#Porsche #CarreraT #Porsche911 #992CarreraT #RennthusiastRadio #ElevenAfterNine #TheRennthusiast #PorschePodcast #PorscheCommunity #PorscheLife #PorschePassion #PorscheFans #PorscheLove #PorscheAddict #911T #PorscheTalk #SportsCarCulture #PorscheReview #CarPodcast #PorscheDebate Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Oct 28, 2025 50 min 32 annotations

The Smoking Tire’s Zack Klapman on Overhyped Porsches and Real Drivers’ Cars

This week on Rennthusiast Radio, Derek and Will sit down with Zack Klapman — co-host of The Smoking Tire and creator of the new automotive game show Driver’s Test — for a deep, candid, and hilarious conversation about Porsche ownership, hype culture, and what makes a real driver’s car.Zack doesn’t hold back — from why the GT3 might be overhyped to which Porsches are still undervalued under $100K, and why G-bodies and 964s might not be worth today’s money. The guys also dive into:- The 912’s surprising charm (and rust horrors)- Why PDK can feel more “race car” than manual- How perfect paint jobs ruin car ownership- Off-road 911s, the magic of the Dakar, and safari builds- Behind-the-scenes of Zack’s new YouTube game show Driver’s Test- The psychology of the Porsche bubble — and how long it can lastThis is the Porsche conversation every enthusiast needs to hear — from three guys who actually drive their cars hard.Listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.Watch more Porsche content on Derek’s channel: @ElevenAfterNineFollow Zack’s new show: @TheSmokingTire & Driver’s Test on YouTubePorsche 911, 996 Turbo, GT3 RS, Porsche ST review, 911 Dakar, Driver’s Test, The Smoking Tire, Zack Klapman, Matt Farah, Porsche buying guide, Porsche under 100k, Porsche manual vs PDK, Rennthusiast Radio, Porsche podcast, air-cooled Porsche, G-body 911, Porsche 997 vs 991, Porsche values 2025 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Oct 20, 2025 56 min 38 annotations

Luftgekühlt 11 Was Stunning—But We Found The Best Driving Roads In America

We went to North Carolina for a few days of rallying, then rolled into Durham for Luftgekühlt 11—and it completely changed our perspectives.Derek opens with a public apology to Will: the Blue Ridge and Blowing Rock backroads aren’t just good…they might be the best he’s ever driven. We unpack what makes rally culture so addictive (trust, pace, and driving), the difference between “owners” and “drivers,” and the moment a patina-rich 356 and a scruffy 912 stole the show from million-dollar icons.Then we get honest about Luft 11 at the historic American Tobacco campus: artfully staged cars, jaw-dropping curation, and yes—“beauty fatigue.” Why the parking garage (daily-driven cars with scars and stories) was our favorite “exhibit,” and how the event lit a fire for the next hunt (hello, G-body).If you’re into real driving, community over clout, and Porsches with character, this one’s for you.Chapters 00:00 Cold open & why we’re buzzing 01:10 Derek’s public apology: Blue Ridge > New England? 03:20 The rally: trust, pace, & Mike/Bob’s routes 06:00 Owners vs drivers (and why patina rules) 10:20 Flow state on mountain roads (spiritual, not spooky) 14:45 Why NC roads hit different vs NE & CA 17:45 Car barns, kindness, and community 21:25 What is Luft—quick primer 23:55 Luft 11 impressions: art, curation, and perfect weather 27:40 Beauty fatigue is real (still the best Porsche show) 29:35 The cars that grabbed us: 912s, 356s, scars & stories 31:00 The hunt begins: G-body fever, Targa debate, garage math 33:30 What’s next & sign-offListen on the go: “Rennthusiast Radio Podcast” (Apple/Spotify). Watch Will’s 993 mountain drive and Derek’s Turbo S/X50 video on ElevenAfterNine. Subscribe for more honest Porsche talk, rally recaps, and ownership reality.Keywords: Luft 11, Luftgekühlt, Porsche 993, Porsche 356, Porsche 912, G-body, Blue Ridge Parkway, Blowing Rock NC, air-cooled Porsche, rally driving, patina Porsche, Porsche community Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Oct 14, 2025 35 min 29 annotations

Buying a Porsche Is Fun. Selling… Not So Much. How to Do It Right

Buying a Porsche is the fun part—selling it? Not so much. In this episode of Rennthusiast Radio, Derek and Will break down the right way to sell your Porsche without wasting time, money, or sanity. From prepping your car for sale, to pricing it correctly, to knowing whether PCA classifieds, Rennlist, Bring a Trailer, or Cars & Bids is the right platform—we’ve got you covered.We’ll share the mistakes we’ve seen sellers make (“testing the waters,” anyone?), how to present your Porsche with pro-level photos and videos, and the insider details buyers look for: PPIs, DME reports, binders of receipts, and even paint-meter readings.Whether you’re moving on from your first 911 or your tenth Cayenne, this episode is your playbook for selling smarter.Topics Covered:Why “testing the waters” turns buyers offWhere to list: PCA, Rennlist, BaT, Cars & Bids, Facebook MarketplacePricing strategies that actually workPhotos, videos, and presentation tips that sell carsReceipts, PPIs, and Porsche “nerd catnip” buyers loveWhen to pull the trigger and get the deal doneSubscribe to Rennthusiast Radio and ElevenAfterNine for real Porsche ownership talk, no fluff. #Porsche #RennthusiastRadio #Porsche911 #PorscheBoxster #PorscheCayman #PorscheLife #PorscheForSale #BringATrailer #CarsAndBids #Rennlist #PorscheCommunity Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Sep 30, 2025 46 min 10 annotations

The Porsche Mods That Actually Matter (Best Bang for Your Buck)

This week on Rennthusiast Radio, Derek flies solo while Will recovers from minor shoulder surgery. To keep the momentum going, we’re pulling one of our most popular episodes from the archives — all about the essential Porsche modifications that truly make a difference in performance, drivability, and even resale value.Before jumping in, Derek shares updates from both YouTube channels:Will’s latest video on upgrading the exhaust of his Guards Red 997.2 with a Darren Pfister system from FD Motorsports, transforming the car’s famously muted sound into something far more exciting.Derek’s deep dive into the incredible Deman GT4 build, where Rick Deman takes a Cayman GT4 to the next level with a 4.5L engine upgrade, shorter gearing, and a visceral, almost air-cooled muscle-car feel.Plus, Derek teases what’s coming soon: Will’s two (!) new Porsches, more GT4 talk, and Derek’s impressions after driving a 992.1 Carrera T — a car Will once sold quickly, but Derek found surprisingly enjoyable.Whether you’re a new listener or a long-time Porsche enthusiast, this episode revisits one of our most practical and fan-favorite discussions: the best mods to unlock the true soul of your Porsche. Don’t forget to subscribe to Rennthusiast Radio here on YouTube, check out Will’s channel Rennthusiast, and Derek’s channel ElevenAfterNine for more Porsche reviews, builds, and stories. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Aug 26, 2025 47 min 6 annotations

The Secret of Porsche’s Perfect GT Cars

What makes Porsche’s GT cars so addictive? In this episode of Rennthusiast Radio, Derek and Will dive deep into the world of Porsche’s most celebrated machines — the GT3, GT4, GT2, and Boxster Spyder — and uncover what truly sets them apart from the rest of the lineup.From the origins of the GT program and the legendary Mezger engine to the modern-day magic of the 4.0-liter flat-six, they explore why these cars have a cult following, how they balance raw performance with emotional appeal, and what it’s actually like to live with one every day.Along the way, they compare GT4 vs. Boxster Spyder ownership, talk about whether the GTS is a “GT car” in spirit, and share personal stories from Will’s multiple GT4s and Derek’s time in some of Porsche’s most sought-after models. Plus, Derek reveals his experience with a Deman Cayman build that pushes the GT formula to the extreme.If you’ve ever wondered whether a Porsche GT car is worth the hype, or which one fits your driving life best, this is your inside look at the cars everyone wants but few truly understand.Keywords: Porsche GT3, Porsche GT4, Porsche GT2, Porsche Boxster Spyder, Porsche GTS, Porsche GT cars, Porsche GT ownership, Porsche GT daily driver, Rennthusiast Radio, ElevenAfterNine, Porsche Cayman GT4 review, Porsche GT3 vs GT4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Aug 12, 2025 45 min

The Color of Your Porsche Matters More Than You Realize

In this episode of Rennthusiast Radio, hosts Will and Derek delve into the fascinating world of Porsche colors, discussing how color impacts car value, the importance of condition over color, and the allure of unique shades. They explore the concept of Paint to Sample (PTS), the significance of interior colors, and personal preferences in car aesthetics. The conversation also touches on the challenges of matte finishes and the evolving trends in car colors, concluding with insights on how to approach buying and selling cars based on color and condition.TakeawaysColor has a significant impact on the value of a Porsche.Condition should often take precedence over color when purchasing a car.Unique colors can bring joy but may come with hidden costs.Taste in car colors can evolve over time.Paint to Sample (PTS) allows for unique customization but can be costly.Interior color choices can enhance or detract from the overall aesthetic.Garage aesthetics matter; color coordination can be a source of joy.Wrapping cars can be a way to change color but may complicate resale.Matte finishes present unique challenges in maintenance and repair.The market for car colors is cyclical; unpopular colors can become desirable. KeywordsPorsche, car colors, paint to sample, car value, color preference, automotive aesthetics, Porsche enthusiasts, car collecting, interior colors, matte finishes Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Aug 05, 2025 42 min

Goodbye to the Boxster: 5 Lessons from Porsche’s Most Underrated Car

In this episode of Rennthusiast Radio, Will says goodbye to his beloved 2006 Lapis Blue Porsche 987 Boxster. But before it goes, he shares five key lessons from owning what might be Porsche’s most underrated sports car. From daily driving joy to IMS worries that never materialized, this is a deep dive into what makes the base Boxster special—and why it just might be the smartest Porsche buy out there.Derek and Will also discuss Will’s surprise GT4 purchase and give first impressions of the 2024 Porsche Macan loaner that showed up while he waits for delivery of his new Macan GTS.Whether you’re considering your first Porsche or just want to know if a base Boxster is still worth it in 2025, this is one you won’t want to miss. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jul 29, 2025 40 min

The Good, Bad, and Surprising Truth About Daily Driving a 911

In this episode, Will and Derek dive deep into their Porsche ownership experiences—comparing the Cayenne and Macan for daily duty, unpacking Will’s decision to buy a Macan GTS, and exploring what it's really like to daily drive a 991.2 Carrera S. They also get into the nitty gritty of content creation, car color choices and their impact on resale, and why buying a CPO Porsche can be a smart move. From mountain roads to city commutes, they reflect on what makes modern Porsches so engaging—and how owning multiple Porsches adds variety to the enthusiast experience.🔑 Keywords: Porsche, 991.2, Macan, Cayenne, GTS, daily driving, car enthusiast, content creation, car colors, CPO cars💡 Key Takeaways:The Cayenne and Macan offer distinct daily driving personalitiesHigh-mileage cars can be worthwhile—especially with warranty coverageCar color choices can impact long-term valueDailying a 911 is more practical than many thinkContent creation takes passion and consistencyEven larger Porsches maintain rewarding driving dynamicsCPO programs give buyers added confidenceThe Macan GTS hits a sweet spot between comfort and funDriving in the mountains brings out the best in any PorscheMultiple Porsches = multiple ways to enjoy the brandDrop your thoughts in the comments—do you daily your 911? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jul 22, 2025 41 min

High Miles, Low Price, Big Value? Let’s Talk High-Mileage Porsches + Real Mechanic Advice

Thinking of buying a Porsche but worried about mileage? Think again. In this episode of Rennthusiast Radio, Derek dives deep into why high-mileage Porsches might just be the best-kept secret in the enthusiast world. From value to reliability, we explore why these “well-loved” cars could offer more smiles per dollar than you think.Then, stick around for a special replay of Porsche mechanic Eric Lind, who shares his must-know Dos and Don’ts for Porsche ownership. Whether you're wrenching yourself or heading to the shop, his advice could save you money, time, and headaches. Perfect for first-time buyers, budget-minded enthusiasts, or anyone who thinks 100K+ miles is the end of the road. Spoiler alert: it’s not. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jul 15, 2025 49 min

STOP Doing These Mods to Your Porsche (Seriously)

This week, we’re diving back into one of our most controversial episodes — The 8 Worst Mods You Can Make to Your Porsche. Whether you're new to the brand or a seasoned enthusiast, we break down the upgrades that do more harm than good — from tacky cosmetic choices to performance mods that kill drivability or value. It’s all here, with our usual blend of experience, humor, and brutal honesty.If you love Porsches but hate seeing them ruined, this one’s for you. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jul 08, 2025 50 min

The Porsche Owner Hall of Shame: 7 Stereotypes Exposed

This week on Renthusiast Radio, we’re bringing back one of our favorite (and most viral) episodes — a tongue-in-cheek but all-too-real look at the seven types of Porsche owners you should avoid becoming. Whether you're a seasoned 911 lifer, a proud Boxster fan, or new to the brand entirely, this one’s going to make you laugh, cringe, and maybe even reflect a bit.Will and Derek dig into each personality type—from the Scaredy Cat who’s afraid to drive their car, to the Model Snob, the Boy Racer, the Controller, and even the Online Troll. If you’ve spent time in the Porsche community, you’ve definitely met at least one of these people. Heck, maybe you are one of them (it’s okay… we’ve all been there).⚠️ This episode is all about keeping the Porsche hobby fun, inclusive, and real.🔧 In This Episode:Why some Porsche owners refuse to drive their carsGatekeeping in the Porsche communityThe snobbery that still exists across models (yes, even 996s)Bad behavior on group drivesThe shady side of flipping and price policingA beautiful reminder of what owning a Porsche should feel like💡 Inspired by Will’s viral YouTube video and a great concept from watch collector Teddy Baldassarre, this episode is a mix of humor, real talk, and a heartfelt reminder to be the kind of enthusiast who makes the community better.📺 Watch More on YouTube:Subscribe to Renthusiast Radio on YouTube for full episodesFollow Derek’s channel ElevenAfterNine for deep dives, reviews, and Porsche stories🎧 Available on all major podcast platforms. 👍 Like, comment, and hit subscribe to stay up to date. ⭐ Leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify — it helps more than you know! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jul 01, 2025 39 min

Cayenne vs. Macan: Which Porsche SUV Is the Smart Buy in 2025?

Cayenne vs. Macan: Which Porsche SUV Should You Really Buy?In this episode of Rennthusiast Radio, Will and Derek dive deep into the Porsche SUV dilemma — should you buy a used Cayenne for under $20K or spend more for a newer Macan? They explore the real-world costs of ownership, common reliability issues, and how the used Porsche market has shifted post-COVID.You’ll hear personal experiences, sharp negotiation strategies, and honest takes on what makes each SUV appealing — or potentially dangerous to your wallet. Whether you’re a seasoned Porsche enthusiast or just entering the world of high-performance SUVs, this episode is packed with valuable insights.Don’t forget to subscribe to Rennthusiast Radio and Derek's YouTube channel ElevenAfterNine for more real talk, Porsche buying guides, and ownership stories. Topics Covered:The best Porsche SUV under $20K?Maintenance nightmares or hidden gems?Market trends and inflated pricesEmotional vs rational car buyingNegotiating like a Porsche proJoin the debate. Which would you choose — Cayenne or Macan? Let us know in the comments!#Porsche #Cayenne #Macan #UsedCars #CarBuying #PorscheSUV #RennthusiastRadio #ElevenAfterNine Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jun 24, 2025 38 min

Porsche Built the Ultimate Family Car—Here’s Why You Need One

Think Porsche only makes sports cars? Think again. In this episode of Rennthusiast Radio, Derek and Will pull back the curtain on Porsche’s most controversial and misunderstood models—the four-doors. From the Cayenne that saved the brand to the Panamera that blends speed with luxury, and the wildly popular Macan, we reveal what makes these cars special... and where they fall short.We break down:The secret history behind the Cayenne’s successWhy the Panamera might be the best-used luxury deal todayWhich model to avoid if you hate expensive repairsAnd whether these four-door Porsches have real soulIf you're a diehard 911 fan or just looking for a Porsche that fits real life, this episode is for you.Hit the comments and tell us—would you daily a four-door Porsche? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jun 17, 2025 24 min